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NC Benz · #31 11-13-2007, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mistel

The best thing that could happen to America are really high oil prices to help break your dependency and to spur growth in areas of conservation and alternative fuels. You should get your President working on that.

Oh, I remember, you elected that guy

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Why the HELL Would you expect any President to do that for YOU? Get off your own DUFF and do something YOURSELF!!! (BTW a little Constitution info here.... no where does ti say that the Federal Government is responsible for anything like that. It should be the free market anyways, not government forcing a particular fuel.)

MY MY we have become such a bunch of lazy AZZES that we cannot think for ourselves anymore, need to blame someone else and have someone do our thinking for us. GOOD GRIEF.

What have YOU done to make alternative fuels work? ANYTHING? HELLO?

Mistel · #32 11-13-2007, 08:25 AM

OK, just off the top of my head, how about removing the tax breaks that people can use when they buy a giant SUV, and giving bigger tax breaks to people who buy economy/hybrid cars. Or much higher gas taxes to reduce consumption as in Europe. How about replacing all those rapid transit lines that the auto companies bought and dismantled in the 50's. I could go on...

"Do something for yourself"

I have been in contact with my local Politicians to tell them my concerns over planning new development around the car, rather than walking or transit.

NC Benz · #33 11-13-2007, 09:23 AM

Again bigger government. It has been pretty clear that raising the taxes only gives more money to the politicians for them to waste. Even in England, where I think I hear fuel is in the $8.00 per gallon range, consumption is still strong. It is a fallacy that raising the price will lower consumption. It wasnt too long ago that people said "when it gets to $2.00 a gallon, I will lower my gas usage." Well we are over $3. Use is a strong as ever, there is just more complaining.

Some people need an SUV to get around, for example, work. Punishing the home contractor is not a great idea IMHO. Why give tax breaks to hybrid owners? Why not just eliminate the tax related to vehicles.

Being in contact with local politicians is really not going to get anything done IMHO. When was the last time a politician actually DID something as opposed to TALK about it???

Doing something yourself means actually DOING something to get you off of dino fuel.... ie WVO, Biodiesel, Solar, Wind, Geo thermal, etc. Now a lot of you will say "Well that is too hard." Well then you have nothing to complain about. It is obviously not important enough for you to actually DO something. Talking to a politician is passing the buck to the politician.

Personally I am doing WVO and solar. I do it to become more GREEN. Green as in MONEY! LOL

When I get my wife to drive a 300D then we will be off of dino except for the lawnmower. Anyone have a spare diesel lawnmower?? LOL Our electricity comes from nuclear so we are clear there as well.

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Originally Posted by Mistel

OK, just off the top of my head, how about removing the tax breaks that people can use when they buy a giant SUV, and giving bigger tax breaks to people who buy economy/hybrid cars. Or much higher gas taxes to reduce consumption as in Europe. How about replacing all those rapid transit lines that the auto companies bought and dismantled in the 50's. I could go on...

"Do something for yourself"

I have been in contact with my local Politicians to tell them my concerns over planning new development around the car, rather than walking or transit.

SD Blue · #34 11-13-2007, 09:26 AM

These "fuel price" threads ought to be dumped over in OD. There is absolutely nothing here about car or diesel maintenance. They always result in a bunch of waa-waa's or worse yet, socialist political ideas and agendas.

#35 11-13-2007, 09:28 AM

Yup, nothing but another whine-o-thon.

michael cole · #36 11-13-2007, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

I'm shocked by how quickly diesel is going up! Its up almost .50 cents in the last month! At this rate its going to be $5 a gallon before the year is over!

ive owned diesel vehicles for some 30 years now.and like clockwork diesel goes up in price at the beginning of the home heating season every year and like clockwork seem to go down again once the commodity speculation ceases.

#37 11-13-2007, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 75Sv1

Also, our engines weren't designed to run on ULSD.

Yes they are, they were made to run D2 or D1. ULSD meets D2 and D1 specifications. Do a little bit of research.

#38 11-13-2007, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

Yes they are, they were made to run D2 or D1. ULSD meets D2 and D1 specifications. Do a little bit of research.

LOL, with this little myth ever die? It reminds me of when unleaded gas was first introduced.

rrgrassi · #39 11-13-2007, 05:16 PM

Actually, the OM617 engines were designed before ULSD was around, so ULSD was designed to run in our engines. Year model 2007 and up diesels are designed to run ULSD.

So, basically, older engines were designed around the fuels of their day, and new fuel designs have to be able to burn in the old and the new.

#40 11-13-2007, 05:18 PM

Unleaded gas was somewhat different. Lead was an intentional octane-improver additive. Engines made for leaded fuel could wear out the valve seats prematurely. A simple valve job with the right parts will cure the problem running on unleaded.

The sulfur in Diesel is a natural part of the fuel and has no use at all in the fuel or engines. It's removal has no/none/0/nill/nada impact on the engine. The process of removing the sulfur harms lubricity but that lost lubricity is made up for in additives put in by the refinery.

C Sean Watts · #41 11-13-2007, 05:19 PM

OMFG, Does this not beg the obvious???

1. Do NOT make unnecessary trips, plan routes and combine the trips you do make.
2. Drive like there is an egg under your right foot.
3. Check your tire pressure (again.) DOE states this alone will save up to 5% in fuel, yearly.
4. If you EVER exceed the posted limit you forfeit your belly aching rights and you know who you are, so....

SLOW DOWN!!!

NB, 4. is not the result of a "government study" but the direct, first hand observations of this commercial driver intimately familiar with I-40 and I-95, also A-6, A-7, A-66 and B-27 in Germany.

#42 11-13-2007, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

Unleaded gas was somewhat different....

I understand (and you are correct), but I was referring to all the "sky is falling" nonsense.

bulletproofair · #43 11-13-2007, 06:10 PM

its basically pointless to complain because fuel prices are going to do nothing but go UP UP and AWAY!

I wonder if the American Government will ever make any regulations for automotive companies as far as Form and Function in relation to fuel economy in vehicles before marketing them....In my opinion this is the ONE thing that they can help us individuals do who are doing all we can to make this a better world and cleaner environment to live in.

If vehicles that are designed for specific reasons have to obtain a minimal gas mileage it would certainly help with fuel economy.

I'm really surprised the American Government hasn't built a mass transit system yet....its really an obvious thing to do considering the Government's lust for money and the rising prices of fuel as well as the global warming problem....its basically screaming out to be built. All in all they probably just see it as something else that could be "terrorized."

Those are my two ideas I think would really help with global warming and fuel issues. I'm sure America is a prime contributor to both global warming and fuel consumption. I hope the gov't really acts on these things before they are personally affected (usually when they act) because things are going to be irreversible by that point as far as global warming is concerned. And I have a soft spot for polar bears too.

tankdriver · #44 11-13-2007, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig

Let's not overestimate the effect of U.S. drivers on the world market.

Thank you. Sometimes people make it sound like the American commuter is responsible for every energy problem in the world. Why don't people ever say, 'hah! Maybe now you plastics manufacturers will start looking for alternatives.'?

rwthomas1 · #45 11-13-2007, 07:43 PM

I don't really care how much a gallon of fuel or gas ends up costing. Every increase is a good thing. There is simply too much waste. Eventually people will change. SUV's and V8's don't bother me. Acres and acres of useless plastic crap (made from OIL) is produced every day. Much of it still non-recyclable. The alternatives will appear when oil reaches a high enough price. Heating huge houses, three, four or five thousand square feet at 70*F on oil. Disgusting waste of a resource. RT