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jbach36 11-20-2007 11:23 AM

Anyway to repair, rather than replace, the shut off valve?
 
My car is dieseling, (won't shut off for 6 seconds or so after the key is off) so I wonder if there's anyway to repair the shut off valve than spending $35 on a new one.

Thanks,

Jeff 1991 300d, 114k

winmutt 11-20-2007 11:27 AM

Nope.

joey.dale 11-20-2007 11:30 AM

Try checking for vac leaks, as the shutoff valve is vac controlled. If you push the stop lever by the valve cover, does it still take so long?

-Joey

TX76513 11-20-2007 11:42 AM

That's probably one of the cheaper parts you are going to buy.

TTCummins 11-20-2007 02:22 PM

the little diaphram inside gets a tear in it and causes the vacuum to leak. The valves i believe are crimped together. So if you know some way of undoing the crimp and not effing the whole thing up in the process you are still faced with finding a diaphram or similar material.

kerry 11-20-2007 02:33 PM

Put a vacuum line to the shut off valve and give a couple of strong sucks on it before condemning the valve. It could be a vacuum leak elsewhere.
A really frugal person might figure out how to disassemble the valve and repair the tear with Goop or something.

Brian Carlton 11-20-2007 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kerry (Post 1680667)
A really frugal person might figure out how to disassemble the valve and repair the tear with Goop or something.

..........PEH..........:D

JimmyL 11-20-2007 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 1680672)
..........PEH..........:D

:D:D
First thing that popped into my head also.....

Brian Carlton 11-20-2007 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimmyL (Post 1680736)
:D:D
First thing that popped into my head also.....

He'd use goop on a cracked cylinder head..........:D

ichbineinekrous 11-20-2007 05:30 PM

You could just buy a nice mity vac and run a length of vacuum tubing into the passenger compartment. Pump it a few times and you're golden. Plus you get to buy another tool, one that will help you track down your other vacuum leaks from re-using old vacuum fittings.:D

Brian Carlton 11-20-2007 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ichbineinekrous (Post 1680796)
You could just buy a nice mity vac and run a length of vacuum tubing into the passenger compartment. Pump it a few times and you're golden.............

The gold will quickly turn to stone if the diaphragm is ruptured.............

kerry 11-20-2007 05:47 PM

If the guy is frugal enough to want to repair the diaphragm, he aint going to want to buy a Mity Vac. He needs to use his god-given Mity Vac found in his cheek muscles. If he gets desperate he should be able to insert a small vacuum guage in one side of his mouth while sucking on the vacuum line in the other.

Brian Carlton 11-20-2007 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kerry (Post 1680808)
If the guy is frugal enough to want to repair the diaphragm, he aint going to want to buy a Mity Vac. He needs to use his god-given Mity Vac found in his cheek muscles. If he gets desperate he should be able to insert a small vacuum guage in one side of his mouth while sucking on the vacuum line in the other.

.........does the gauge come with a 90 degree swiveled fitting so that he can read it during this evacuation procedure?

.........and, does the gauge have a "head mount" so that it won't fall out??

funola 11-20-2007 07:09 PM

Can a normal human bean generate enough suction to close the fuel shutoff valve?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 1680813)
.........does the gauge come with a 90 degree swiveled fitting so that he can read it during this evacuation procedure?

.........and, does the gauge have a "head mount" so that it won't fall out??


kerry 11-20-2007 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by funola (Post 1680853)
Can a normal human bean generate enough suction to close the fuel shutoff valve?

Easily.

Brian Carlton 11-20-2007 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by funola (Post 1680853)
Can a normal human bean generate enough suction to close the fuel shutoff valve?

At one time I believed it to be impossible, but, our friend out in Colorado has proven me wrong...........whether that mouth can be considered representative of the entire forum population is still questionable.:D

pdxwaker 11-20-2007 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kerry (Post 1680667)
Put a vacuum line to the shut off valve and give a couple of strong sucks on it before condemning the valve. It could be a vacuum leak elsewhere.

This is very good advice for someone wanting to minimize repair costs... before you replace the valve, be sure it is broken!

JimmyL 11-20-2007 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by funola (Post 1680853)
Can a normal human bean generate enough suction to close the fuel shutoff valve?


Yes, but a vegetable bean cannot......:D:D

Stevo 11-20-2007 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pdxwaker (Post 1680864)
This is very good advice for someone wanting to minimize repair costs... before you replace the valve, be sure it is broken!

This is about the very first advice given concerning the car not shutting off.

funola 11-20-2007 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pdxwaker (Post 1680864)
This is very good advice for someone wanting to minimize repair costs... before you replace the valve, be sure it is broken!

Us Mercedes diesel owners are suckers, in a way?:D

funola 11-20-2007 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 1680858)
At one time I believed it to be impossible, but, our friend out in Colorado has proven me wrong...........whether that mouth can be considered representative of the entire forum population is still questionable.:D

Have you tried it Brian? I gotta give it a shot, um, I mean a suck sometime.:D

kerry 11-20-2007 08:35 PM

Last year during a winter cold spell, my 77 300d began to suffer from a vacuum leak. Not having a garage and unwilling to trace down a vacuum leak outside in the cold weather, I put a rubber vacuum hose on the shut off valve and ran it out the hood at the cowling, leaving a few inches dangling there so I didn't have to open the hood every time I needed to shut off the engine. I'd give a couple of quick sucks and off it would go.

Brian Carlton 11-20-2007 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kerry (Post 1680911)
I'd give a couple of quick sucks and off it would go.

..........now that's a scene that could only be described as follows:

priceless.:D

toomany MBZ 11-20-2007 09:13 PM

I have a used, yet working shut off valve, if interested.

ForcedInduction 11-20-2007 09:13 PM

So many easy jokes can follow that one. :D

Jordan G 11-20-2007 09:25 PM

shipping
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by toomany MBZ (Post 1680948)
I have a used, yet working shut off valve, if interested.

As if he'd really pay to ship it?:D

I must say, the thought of my favorite mercedes philosopher/theologian, generating enough vac. (himself) to shut off his car....is well, as Brian put it, priceless.

kerry 11-20-2007 09:44 PM

My wife was unwilling to drive the car under those circumstances even after I showed her how she could shut if off while feigning an inspection of the windshield wipers.

Hatterasguy 11-20-2007 09:57 PM

If your real cheap, just pop the hood and shut it down manualy. :D

jbach36 11-21-2007 03:11 PM

No seals to fix
 
Ok, I get the picture. I thought maybe it had some silly little 5 cent rubber seal or O-ring that needed replaced, but from what I'm reading, it's all got to go. I picked up the part and ready to install it.

jeff

kerry 11-21-2007 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbach36 (Post 1681583)
Ok, I get the picture. I thought maybe it had some silly little 5 cent rubber seal or O-ring that needed replaced, but from what I'm reading, it's all got to go. I picked up the part and ready to install it.

jeff

Read the threads on runaway diesels. You have to be careful when installing the valve because if done incorrectly, the engine can run away once started.

Did you confirm that the problem actually lies in the shut off valve by testing the valve by itself independent of the rest of the vacuum system?


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