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MTUpower · #31 11-24-2007, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dynamitejacket

and how this relates to old MB diesels:

when oil dries up, gasoline is simply nonexistent, everybody is fighting over road kill, and your neighborhood starts to look like a scene from the road warrior, youll be able to pour just about anything in the tank of your 617 and run for the hills

Well then we ought to let discussions about the nuances of how long a field should be left fallow because that in turn effects what crops are planted. That in turn has a relationship with crop production and crop prices.
Which of course relates to pesticide and seed costs. Those are an effect on silo usage- and full silos mean hoarding of grain- and that means bio diesel production may be slowed. So yes- this is a relevent discussion.

Moving the thread to open discussion is the correct action.

Racekar · #32 11-24-2007, 01:21 PM

Wow, some people on this thread have been watching too much of Mel Gibson in "Road Warrior".

Hatterasguy · #33 11-24-2007, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudebutler

You live in Milford? How long can you tread water?

Sadly, the view that "fuel is cheap now and I'll deal with the repercussions later" is myopic and self-centered. I just don't understand why people are so unwilling to put in a little effort now when we know that eventually we are going to run out of this resource. (Remember, it's used to heat our homes and make plastics as well-imagine life without it. Oil fuels the farmers equipment and the trucks that bring the food to your market. No need to go on, you get the point.) We are completely and totally dependent on oil which you must admit puts our nation at risk.

Maybe you can afford $4-5/gallon. Truly, I'm happy for you. But there are others that struggle to get by. When oil goes up, the price of everything goes up.

And then there's the whole treading water thing....

Again, I disagree, this a good post for Diesel D, no need to move it. If you don't care about it, don't read it. (Certainly there are other posts you skip, no?) I don't mind being challenged-but let's keep the posts on the intellectual high road.

I live on a hill, if the water rises 20ft I will have a wonderfull parcel on a nice island just off the coast, and property value will go up 4-5 fold.

Miklas · #34 11-24-2007, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dynamitejacket

and how this relates to old MB diesels:

when oil dries up, gasoline is simply nonexistent, everybody is fighting over road kill, and your neighborhood starts to look like a scene from the road warrior, youll be able to pour just about anything in the tank of your 617 and run for the hills

No way, man, the diesel is the last thing you want because you need a car with a supercharger to run from the hordes and blast across the desert at 100+ and that accelerates quickly after being stopped by roadblocks! Plus, since the only way of life is killing gas hoarding gang members and taking theirs, you'll be pretty disappointed after using all your bullets only to discover that your diesel doesn't take gas. All that slaughter for nothing! ARGH!

dmorrison · #35 11-24-2007, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

and the USA has 940 cars per thousand people!! Thats crazy! We have too many cars!

And your signature says

"'82 300SD 265k -mine Running Mobil 1 5w40 turbodiesel synthetic Mein Auto ist eine Geldgrube.... (OC-268,750)
'83 300D 224k - dads - running Rotella Synthetic 5w40! Could use some new tires/alignment..... (OC-227,600)
'83 300SD 292k -dads Running Mobil 1 5w40 turbodiesel synthetic (OC-294,200)
'99 Dodge Caravan 91k -dads running Castrol 5w30 Synthetic - Now my sister's daily driver. Running good currently... (OC-95,330)"

So who's calling the kettle black????

Dave

#36 11-24-2007, 07:54 PM

but what about the children?

plutonian · #37 12-03-2007, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Racekar

Electric cars! are you kidding, ...
Electric power transmission is not very efficent, and where do you think alot of the power comes from, burning natural gas, oil, or in the northeast, dirty coal. ...

I encourage you to watch that documentary. It examines alot of misinformation bandied about electric vehicles, efficiency, etc, etc.
Also - There are continuously, increasing numbers of independently powered homes (yes, including mine) that negate the issues of the grossly inefficient centralized industrial power grid. The system has to adapt or collapse as you already witness. That's why we're messing around with Biodiesel here!! But solar will catch up, perhaps ironically thanks to Chinese manufacturing!!?

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Originally Posted by Racekar

P.S. the US has more oil in Alaska, the gulf of Mexico, and in the western states than there is in Sadua Araba, but it's off limits to drilling.

Thank God otherwise we'd suck that up and destroy those ecosystems so fat bastards can haul their Ford Extravagant round the block.

...oops. Didn't notice the 2nd 2 pages on this thread since initial posts. Whole bunch of folks that don't give a **** - preaching to the wrong choir here apparently.

Why'd those of ya be reading a thread on the virtues off Biodiesel when you'd rather be living in the deathguild fantasy world anyway?

"men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as though nothing happened" ~ Winston Churchill

pawoSD · #38 12-03-2007, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by dmorrison

And your signature says

"'82 300SD 265k -mine Running Mobil 1 5w40 turbodiesel synthetic Mein Auto ist eine Geldgrube.... (OC-268,750)
'83 300D 224k - dads - running Rotella Synthetic 5w40! Could use some new tires/alignment..... (OC-227,600)
'83 300SD 292k -dads Running Mobil 1 5w40 turbodiesel synthetic (OC-294,200)
'99 Dodge Caravan 91k -dads running Castrol 5w30 Synthetic - Now my sister's daily driver. Running good currently... (OC-95,330)"

So who's calling the kettle black????

Dave

So true!

I was just saying the US has too many in general....not that we do...

If I can afford it someday I will probably have 4-5 old MB's around

diametricalbenz · #39 12-03-2007, 01:43 AM

I'll second this pawoSD's post.

...I wonder if the Donner party went with the "F the world....let's eat ALL of our food now"...

I digress...there are a lot of LPG taxis in Shanghai and Hong Kong...I saw only 3 TDI's in 10 days time.

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

You'll care about the environment when its really messed up and food crops die and there's no fuel left to keep everything going.....and everyone starts chaos and mayhem over starvation and desperate situations.

Remember, earth is all we currently have, if we break it, we've got nowhere else to go but 6 feet under.

I am not an "environmental tree hugger" person, but I do think we need to adopt MUCH more efficient and conservative ways of living. Everything needs to be closer together, things need to be streamlined, waste needs to be eliminated as much as possible, etc. Follow a Euro-style way of life except even more-so. Then we may achieve a potentially sustainable way of living. Burning 87 million barrels of oil a day isn't possible forever. Exactly 0 new barrels form in the earth per day....so its -87million per day. Not a good way to go....and even more important than the oil consumption not being sustainable, is the enormous amount of carbon dioxide we pump into the air every day. Its planet-altering-huge amounts. Its going to haunt us someday, and its already starting.

Q45Denver · #40 12-03-2007, 08:24 PM

What no one seems to be aware of is that there are enormous quantities of oil shale and sand in the US and Canada not to mention coal. Even at $50 a barrel these are economical to develop. Oil will never get much above $100 a barrel.