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1983 300TD transmission issues
Just acquired a 1983 300TD Benz with 297,000 miles. Engine was rebuit by previous owner not too long ago. Looks quite nice on the outside and no rust.
The transmission frequently 'flares' when shifting from 3rd to 4rth. Also shifting to reverse is often slow. Can anyone help me diagnose this problem...step by step. I am new to transmission, but am mechanically inclined and can do most of the work myself. Anyone willing to show me what I need to do? Regards! |
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Sure, we'll help you with it. The slow shift to reverse can be caused by an old filter in the trans.........or, it's just getting to the end of it's serviceable life. At 297K, it's definitely past its prime. The 3-4 flare is quite common.........although it's usually the 2-3 that gives folks the most trouble. To fix it properly will require you to have a Mityvac. It can be used to adjust and check the vacuum system to the transmission. We'll check the vacuum and reduce it slightly to cure the flare. Post back when you have the Mityvac available for use. |
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this is a good thread for me to follow! most of my D's are slightly flaring when driving with slight throttle.
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John HAUL AWAY, OR CRUSHED CARS!!! HELP ME keep the cars out of the crusher! A/C Thread "as I ride with my a/c on... I have fond memories of sweaty oily saturdays and spewing R12 into the air. THANKS for all you do! My drivers: 1987 190D 2.5Turbo 1987 190D 2.5Turbo 1987 190D 2.5-5SPEED!!! 1987 300TD 1987 300TD 1994GMC 2500 6.5Turbo truck... I had to put the ladder somewhere! |
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I cannot believe that you haven't fixed that issue yet...........
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why? I can pull and tear and rebuild engines all day long, trace electrical and a/c problems till the cows come home, but when it comes to auto trannys, I just have somebody do it for me... and I am waaaaaaay too busy to take the cars in lately. so I gotta learn sometime.
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John HAUL AWAY, OR CRUSHED CARS!!! HELP ME keep the cars out of the crusher! A/C Thread "as I ride with my a/c on... I have fond memories of sweaty oily saturdays and spewing R12 into the air. THANKS for all you do! My drivers: 1987 190D 2.5Turbo 1987 190D 2.5Turbo 1987 190D 2.5-5SPEED!!! 1987 300TD 1987 300TD 1994GMC 2500 6.5Turbo truck... I had to put the ladder somewhere! |
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yup, just waiting on your sage advice!
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John HAUL AWAY, OR CRUSHED CARS!!! HELP ME keep the cars out of the crusher! A/C Thread "as I ride with my a/c on... I have fond memories of sweaty oily saturdays and spewing R12 into the air. THANKS for all you do! My drivers: 1987 190D 2.5Turbo 1987 190D 2.5Turbo 1987 190D 2.5-5SPEED!!! 1987 300TD 1987 300TD 1994GMC 2500 6.5Turbo truck... I had to put the ladder somewhere! |
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OK, first things first.
Unplug the supply vacuum to the T on the top of the VCV. Connect the Mityvac to this hose and pump up the Mityvac. It will rise to a certain reading and not go above that reading. Report back with the reading. Observe the Mityvac and see how long it takes to bleed down. If it takes less than 15 seconds, then also do the following: Disconnect the line that goes to the transmission from the same T. Connect the Mityvac to this line and pump it up again. Now it will go all the way to 20". See if it holds. Report back. |
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Mityvac it is...
Thanks guys..keep going. I will go and get a Mityvac...
Regards! |
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While you wait for the Mityvac, you could unplug the vacuum line going from the VCV to the transmission modulator, plug up the fitting where it was plugged in and take it for a test drive. If your shifts get real firm with no flaring, you'll know the problem is in the vacuum system.
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1977 300d 70k--sold 08 1985 300TD 185k+ 1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03 1985 409d 65k--sold 06 1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car 1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11 1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper 1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4 1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13 |
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GOt Mityvac results
Disconnected the T as instructed by Brian. Pumped up the mityvac and it goes down to 15 inches Hg and stays there. Then gradually bleeds down to zero over a looong time...more than 5 minutes.
But heres the realy clincher...the T on top of the VCV is connected to absolutely nothing....I cannot find any lines going to the T. Can anyone share a picture of a proper vac line setup for a 300TD (circa 1983) with this forum please? Thanks! |
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Now, on the top of the VCV is a T. One end of the T goes to the transmission. The opposite end of the T goes to the vacuum pump. The bull of the T goes to the top of the VCV (with green damper attached). What I want you to do is to remove the vacuum supply line at the T and connect up your Mityvac (other two legs of the T are properly connected as detailed above). Pump up the Mityvac and get a reading with the throttle fully closed. Report back with result. With Mityvac fully pumped up, gradually open the throttle and observe the gauge. It should slowly move toward zero as the throttle is fully opened. Report back with results. |
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No Joy this Xmas
Happy Xmas everyone.
Brian: One issue with following your instructions. I thorooughly checked out the T. The two top ends of the T on my car and completely open! Thats right...when I popped the hood and examined the T, only the base was attached to th VCV and the green damper. The other two sides were...guess what...attached to nothing!!!. I think the previous owner may have done some screwing about there. I need to get some vacuum lines and make the proper connections. Can you show me where the line from the T attches to the transmission and where it attaches to the Vacuum pump? Perhaps a photograph or a diagram? PLease help!? Thanks! |
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