I want to swap a 16v manual transmission into my 1984 4-cyl 190d 2.2. OM601 i believe. Would this work? I ran the vin from this 190d 2.2 5-speed (wdbdb22c2ff053723) and its a 717.410 trans, which is obviously different than the 717.404 in my 16v. Does anyone know if this swap would work? Would the gearing be somewhat matched?

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1993 2.6 (040) SportLinE 5-speed - Armed to the teeth w. roof rack/2x bike carriers/8x ski carriers/MB towing bumper
1993 2.6 (040) - deceased/reincarnated as a trailer.
1987 16v (702) - Now parting out(9/22/10)!!! - Email me your requests for 16v parts- Engine and full body kit avail!!
1987 300SDL (122)- For sale!

The information I have shows the following gearing:
2.3-16: I. 4,08; II. 2,52; III. 1,77; IV. 1,26; V. 1,0; R. 4,16
2.2 dsl: I. 4,23; II. 2,36; III. 1,49; IV. 1,0; V. 0,84; R. 4,63

I grabbed this data from the internet somewhere long ago; I make no guarantees about the accuracy of it.

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1989 250TD Wagon 5-speed, 160,000mi ::: Dark gray metallic / black cloth
1984 190D-2.2 5-speed, 287,000mi ::: Silver-blue metallic / black MB-tex ::: SOLD

Thanks for the data! I dont know much about gear ratios, however those seem relatively close to me. Would you say the same?

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1993 2.6 (040) SportLinE 5-speed - Armed to the teeth w. roof rack/2x bike carriers/8x ski carriers/MB towing bumper
1993 2.6 (040) - deceased/reincarnated as a trailer.
1987 16v (702) - Now parting out(9/22/10)!!! - Email me your requests for 16v parts- Engine and full body kit avail!!
1987 300SDL (122)- For sale!

Not really. You effectively lose 5th gear. And the rest are closer ratios. So, more shifting and no overdrive. Might not be the most economical selection ou could make. Or the quietest. Jim

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Own:
1986 Euro 190E 2.3-16 (291,000 miles),
1998 E300D TurboDiesel, 231,000 miles -purchased with 45,000,
1988 300E 5-speed 252,000 miles,
1983 240D 4-speed, purchased w/136,000, now with 222,000 miles.
2009 ML320CDI Bluetec, 89,000 miles

Owned:
1971 220D (250,000 miles plus, sold to father-in-law),
1975 240D (245,000 miles - died of body rot),
1991 350SD (176,560 miles, weakest Benz I have owned),
1999 C230 Sport (45,400 miles),
1982 240D (321,000 miles, put to sleep)

It's up to you, but I personally don't think they're close enough unless you never drive on the highway.

The biggest issue is the lack of overdrive 5th gear. As Jim said, this is helpful for noise & fuel economy at highway speeds (I use 5th starting at 50mph).

1st gear is only off by a little bit, but I find that the steeper ratio on 1st really helps to get the car moving from a stop (to avoid getting rear-ended by the impatient SUV driver behind you ) and every little bit of extra acceleration counts when you have a 74hp car.

If the 16v differential is available, you could swap out the differential as well to help deal with the 5th gear problem (my records show that the 2.2 has a 3.42; the 2.3-16 has a 3.07 if it's a 1986 or earlier model) but then you'd worsen your situation regarding 1st gear. It's kind of a tradeoff since the 2.3-16 transmission has a narrower range than the 2.2 transmission.

To further complicate things, I should mention that the 2.2's automatic transmission also has a 1.0 top gear (like the 2.3-16 5spd) - so in this sense your converted car might drive similarly to the 2.2 automatic at highway speeds. I can't imagine this being a pleasant experience though.

Even though the transmission you have isn't ideal, if it cost you nothing and you've got the time and your 190D has an automatic now (yuck!), it's probably still worth looking into the swap a little more (for me, a slightly mismatched manual would still be better than an automatic).

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1989 250TD Wagon 5-speed, 160,000mi ::: Dark gray metallic / black cloth
1984 190D-2.2 5-speed, 287,000mi ::: Silver-blue metallic / black MB-tex ::: SOLD

cornblatt, i have sold both my 16v transmissions and have now obtained a 5-speed trans from a 2.6 5-speed 190e. 717.432 I have an auto 2.6 diff to go with it too. Let me know what your info says for this trans! Now i have to decide if i want to convert my 2.2d or my 2.6 gasser sportline to 5-speed! Or i could hold out for an OM603 from an SDL and have the ultimate setup!

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1993 2.6 (040) SportLinE 5-speed - Armed to the teeth w. roof rack/2x bike carriers/8x ski carriers/MB towing bumper
1993 2.6 (040) - deceased/reincarnated as a trailer.
1987 16v (702) - Now parting out(9/22/10)!!! - Email me your requests for 16v parts- Engine and full body kit avail!!
1987 300SDL (122)- For sale!

The info I have says the following:

190E-2.6: I. 3.86; II. 2.18; III. 1.38; IV. 1.0; V. 0.80; R. 4.22
190D-2.2: I. 4.23; II. 2.36; III. 1.49; IV. 1.0; V. 0.84; R. 4.63

The 190E-2.6 automatic had a 3.07 differential.
The 190E-2.6 manual had a 3.27 up to 09/89 and a 3.92 thereafter.

The 190D-2.2 had a 3.42.

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1989 250TD Wagon 5-speed, 160,000mi ::: Dark gray metallic / black cloth
1984 190D-2.2 5-speed, 287,000mi ::: Silver-blue metallic / black MB-tex ::: SOLD