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Coolant Sensor Resistance Values
I'm curious whether anyone has published data points or an equation correlating resistance vs. temperature for the engine block coolant sensor for a W123 300D-T.
That's basically the end of the road for my reckless replacement of cooling system parts (two degrease/acid flushes, new validated t-stat, new radiator, water pump impeller inspected), and I'd like to know what the resistance should be at a given temp before I spend even more $$ for a new one(yeah, I know I shoulda looked here first:rolleyes:). I still run 100+ when running up a hill on the highway. The reason I hadn't considered it an instrument issue is that it settles around 84C when overrunning down a hill on the highway, and that is where I validated the t-stat to start opening on the stovetop, and is published at 84C in the shop manual. |
what car we talking about here ? are you talking about the sensor that has a 4 prong (round) on it ?
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Infrared thermometer would confirm or deny the sensor's accuracy.
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http://www.kienzle.de/uploads/media/sensoren_instrumentierung.pdf
there is a cross-reference table ,find your VDO sensor number---should be 51ohm@90 Celsius,I think....that`s the standart for many years...also: http://www.motometer.de/pdf/sensoren_tempgeber_120_e_so.pdf The resistance characteristic is identical for all sensors: 60 °C 134 Ohm 90 °C 51.2 Ohm 100 °C 38.5 Ohm your is analogue to MMeter 642 007 1018 40 – 120 °C M 14 x 1.5 6 – 24 Volt 21 mm Round connector 4 mm... Good luck,the reference worked for me... P.S. http://www.detali.ru/cat/oem_mb2.asp?TP=1&F=123193&M=617%2E952&GA=722%2E120315&CT=M&cat=143&SID=20&SGR=015&SGN=01 it`s number 125 The VDO corrsep. number is 323-801-020-002D ,page 27 of the VDO.pdf,bottom.... |
I never knew that sensor information was published for these cars. As the original poster mentioned it sure beats buying sensors just on speculation. Thanks for digging the information out.
Have you done the required tests to determine your fan clutch is still in good condition? I imagine if we had a chart of the top to bottom average temperature difference might be helpful as well. If enough btus are not being lost from the rad it would be reflected by closer inlet/outlet temperatures. I used to consider that if the temperature fell signifigantly when going uphill with the heater at full blast then things especially the rad but in your case the air flow through it were suspect. A normally operating coolant system requires no help to maintain a fairly tight range of gauge readings. There are hills and then there are hills. My second thought is if the engine is the 617 series and you do not actually blow coolant out ever it is not going to hurt anything. I would just drive it and see if the condition was stable or worsening. Also if the temperature gauge swing and temperature indications are remaining exactly the same in lower ambient temperatures it probably is not the air flow. Just my opinions and their application depend somewhat on your prior experience in this area. Plus your ability to discern the results correctly. Marginal problems are occasionally as hard to run down as intermittent ones. |
The sender is so cheap if it is more than 5 years old and you think there may be a problem, replace the sender.
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COOLANT TEMPERATURE SENSOR (B11/9 or B11/10) RESISTANCE
At -20 °C 15.7 kOhm At -10 °C 10.0 kOhm At 0 °C 5.9 kOhm At 10 °C 3.7 kOhm At 20 °C 2.5 kOhm At 30 °C 1.7 kOhm At 40 °C 1.17 kOhm At 50 °C 830 Ohm At 60 °C 600 Ohm At 70 °C 435 Ohm At 80 °C 325 Ohm At 90 °C 245 Ohm At 100 °C 185 Ohm Tolerance ±5% I believe the one in your thumbnail is this one. If so, I just replaced the same one in my 1984 300SD. The values above are from autozone's online manual for my model. |
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I swapped sensors from my other 617.952 car that runs perfectly with no difference. I then swapped the thermostats, and voile! It was that stinking thermostat all along! I even replaced it with one from worldpac two years ago when I first realized I had a problem. The new one from the mb dealer that I put in the donor car now runs hotter too...but it's a steady 90-95C instead of the 100+ creep I was experiencing with the other car. |
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