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Old 12-17-2007, 12:46 AM
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Off Road Diesel?

I found this to be interesting.
I was out of town with a friend, and he went to fill up at the local Citgo. The fuel sign looked something like this:
Regular gas - $3.03/gal
Mid grade - $3.13/gal
Premium - $3.23/gal
Diesel - $3.35/gal
Off Road Diesel - $2.98/gal

Surprisingly, I've never heard of the stuff before, nor am I finding much information on it right now. The cashier said it's a heavier grade that will run in any diesel. Does anyone have experience using it and know why it's so much cheaper?
We were in Daytona Beach by the way.

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Old 12-17-2007, 12:53 AM
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It's sold for agricultural and other non taxable purposes. It's got red dye in it and if you use it for fuel, they'll test your tank one day when you least expect it and fine you for everything you've got.

It's the same stuff as regular diesel except it has full sulfur instead of that silly ULSD stuff... but the red dye makes it not worth the risk.
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Old 12-17-2007, 01:05 AM
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Heh, I see. That makes sense, and it's nice that tractor owners have the option of using it.
Now the real question is why that clerk didn't tell me I'm not supposed to use it in my 300D.
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Old 12-17-2007, 03:44 AM
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Same stuff as regular diesel wo/taxes. The only danger is to your wallet if you get caught using it.

Fines are usually $1000+ depending on how much they think you have used.
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Old 12-17-2007, 05:41 PM
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I think in Iowa its a 10,000 dollar fine minimum. They do check a lot of pickups that say diesel. Someone I know has used it for the last 25 years, and said if he gets caught it wouldn't matter since he has saved a lot more.
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Old 12-17-2007, 07:27 PM
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My dad did that with his boat trailer

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I think in Iowa its a 10,000 dollar fine minimum. They do check a lot of pickups that say diesel. Someone I know has used it for the last 25 years, and said if he gets caught it wouldn't matter since he has saved a lot more.
NOT the off road diesel but never putting a license plate on it. The fine for no trailer license is less than the plate and title fee....6 years and counting. It does help that he's buddies with a police SGT and never goes off their island with the boat.
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Old 12-17-2007, 07:50 PM
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yep my grandmother used it for years... in fact that why their are Mercedes in the family. my granddad installed a diesel pump and a huge diesel tank for farming purposes. and then my grandma wanted a new car... back in 78... so a 300D it was! to this day my grandmother never buys fuel. we were worried that she would put diesel in her new Toyota, so they had to change the locks on the pumps so she could only unlock the gas not the diesel.. kinda sad that from 1978-2006 she was driving a MB diesel and now a Toyota. O well.
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Old 12-17-2007, 10:20 PM
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I think in Iowa its a 10,000 dollar fine minimum. They do check a lot of pickups that say diesel. Someone I know has used it for the last 25 years, and said if he gets caught it wouldn't matter since he has saved a lot more.
It's $10K minimum on your first offense here, plus they add felony tax fraud, plus they make you tow the vehicle to a repair facility to have every last drop of it purged from your fuel system at your expense....they pretty much stick to dipping trucks & pickups though, especially those with the in bed tanks for equipment. There's advantages to some locals living out in the sticks and driving the barely traveled backroads to work though, I'll leave it at that.
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Old 12-17-2007, 10:59 PM
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BS,

OK, bulk fuel guys aloy of time deliver undyed fuel and have you sign an ag exempt sheet for you tractor. This is my case.

Otherwise keep several empty trans fluid qt bottles in the trunk and say, oh I add that red stuff for the injectors.

And last I and nobody I know have ever had their fuel checked. The guys busted are loggers that use fuel from their tote tank for the skidders.

30 years of experience on major highways with trucks and p/u's and Oldsmobiles. and merc's on the tractor push water.

Don't get paranoid.
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Old 12-17-2007, 11:47 PM
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I'd like to see how they'd dip a MB's tank. It's hard enough to stick a siphon hose in the tank.
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Old 12-18-2007, 08:25 AM
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BS,

OK, bulk fuel guys aloy of time deliver undyed fuel and have you sign an ag exempt sheet for you tractor. This is my case.

Otherwise keep several empty trans fluid qt bottles in the trunk and say, oh I add that red stuff for the injectors.

And last I and nobody I know have ever had their fuel checked. The guys busted are loggers that use fuel from their tote tank for the skidders.

30 years of experience on major highways with trucks and p/u's and Oldsmobiles. and merc's on the tractor push water.

Don't get paranoid.
Knowing the reputation of the police around Lawtey, I'm surprised that's been the case.
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Surprisingly, I've never heard of the stuff before
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:12 AM
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Ok, so how do they test for the dye?
Is it visual or some chemical test?
Which brings up another question. B-100 (at least the homebrew kind) is similar in color to the Dyed Diesel. And I know that you can get a similar fine for running B-100. But how do they know if you purchase the B-100 at a station, or homebrew it?
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Ok, so how do they test for the dye?
Is it visual or some chemical test?
Which brings up another question. B-100 (at least the homebrew kind) is similar in color to the Dyed Diesel. And I know that you can get a similar fine for running B-100. But how do they know if you purchase the B-100 at a station, or homebrew it?
at least in Europe, test the exhaust gas with a strip of paper similar to litmus. But bio diesel looks nothing like off road fuel (non highway taxed.) It's a red as transmission fluid. The law as it stands before the sunset on it, home brewed B100 is legal as long as you do not sell it without a license and proper tax collections.
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