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Old 01-01-2008, 01:41 AM
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The veggie conversion just stretches the diesel out. The same could be said about the hybrid cars that run part time on electric. Should they be taxed, and how?
That is still illegal because it is not approved to be used as a fuel or additive. We are not talking about the taxation in this case, we are talking about the environment.

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Those laws will need to change, just like they needed to change for bio diesel.
You can change the laws all you want, it will still be illegal because of EPA regulations until somebody sets a required standard for each type and gets it certified. Example: Denver has made small amounts of pot in possession of adults legal. Problem is, federal drug laws overrule state/local law and make it illegal in any case to posses it.

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So if you produce your own biodiesel is it legal?
As long as you pay all applicable taxes on what you produce.

I encourage ALL of you to try and get the first EPA approved conversion.

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Old 01-01-2008, 03:53 AM
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I guess that means everyone is going to hook back up their EGR and drive the speed limit.

I mean we do want to remain 100% legal.
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I guess that means everyone is going to hook back up their EGR and drive the speed limit.

I mean we do want to remain 100% legal.

I plugged the vacuum line to the egr, didn't do a damn thing. Not even more smoke. So mines hooked up anyway
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The environment is your concern? Oh well that's good! I'm glad to hear that! Well you can rest your little mind at ease: I do my yearly smog checks running 100% WVO, and pass with flying colors every single time.

The legality of VO depends on who you ask. Several state DOTs have said "Yes if you pay your taxes on it, it's fine." Same with about 1/2 the people I've talked to in the IRS.

That's the one beauty of bureaucracy: they make so many different organizations with so many different laws, if you don't like one, check with another. If you don't like one person's answer, call back the next day to get someone else's.

That's what happens when you abandon the principle of parsimony.

"Straight from the horse's mouth"? No, my child: "Straight from a horse's mouth." And there's a whole lotta horses out there...
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Deny it all you wish.

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Waste vegetable oil or straight vegetable oil cannot legally be used in vehicles.
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Deny it all you wish.
Where do I deny anything you or EPA Person 1 said?
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The legality of VO depends on who you ask.
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Old 01-01-2008, 05:25 AM
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Yes, and how does that deny what EPA Person 1 said?

Did I say "100% of the people you ask will say VO is legal"?

No. You asked a person. You got an answer. All I'm doing is educating you to the fact that there is more than one government organization out there to ask, and WITHIN each organization, it depends on who you talk to.
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I'm not saying "Rebecca is WRONG!"

I'm just saying, "I prefer to listen to IRS Wade and DOT Teresa rather than EPA Rebecca."
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and I agree... it's a messed up system! There should be unanimous agreement and definitions BETWEEN gov't organizations.

But there's not, and if I must live with a broken government, I'll certainly use its brokenness when it suits me.
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Remember the old saying "two wrongs don't make a right"?

Listen to the IRS and DOT all you want, but as long as one of the major branches says no, then it is "no" all round.
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Whether it's "wrong" depends on who you ask.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA "as long as ONE says "no" it's "no" all around"????

who made THAT "rule" up? YOU just now?
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who made THAT "rule" up? YOU just now?
Let's roll back a few years. That is like asking your mom for some candy and she says "no". So you go to dad and ask for candy and he says "yes". Upon hearing the answer you wanted you go get some candy despite the fact you were told not to the first time. If mom finds out you got some, you would still be in trouble despite the fact that someone else told you yes.

It's a fact of life.
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Ahhh but here you hit your problem:
IRS is not "mommy" and EPA is not "daddy". They do not work as a team to make you do the "right" thing. The IRS wants its tax money, the EPA wants to make sure it's gets it's MASSIVE amount of funds to do testing and "approve" a fuel first.

Everybody just wants their piece of the cake.

So does that mean that you believe in Tucson, AZ, a woman wearing pants should receive a citation? After all, it's still in the old city ordinances!

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