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Old 07-31-2009, 10:27 PM
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There are several things you'll want/need from the '92.

If there's an exhaust manifold, I'll buy it from you.

On to what you need: The head, the injector nozzles, the injection hard-lines, the glow-plugs.

What you might want besides IMO is the glowplug relay (afterglow), the temp-sensor (for afterglow), the turbo (55-trim I believe), and the IP. You'd possibly want the exhaust manifold also but you're going to sell that to me.

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Old 07-31-2009, 10:30 PM
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heh good to know. the last one I bought with the turbo and manifold attached, just because it was easier...
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Old 07-31-2009, 10:30 PM
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How hard is it to convert the vacuum normally open wastegate to a pressure normally closed one?

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Old 07-31-2009, 10:31 PM
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Shouldn't it be a direct swap?
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Old 07-31-2009, 10:34 PM
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Don't fret, my 603 has a blown oil gallery up front so I get a nice smoke show all the time.

I'm on the fence to just use my No 18 head or wait it out for a No 22. But then the 22 necessitates all the later style crap. Decisions, decisions.
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Old 07-31-2009, 10:39 PM
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whats different about the exhaust manifold, or rather, whats improved? the plan for this is to add some fun parts to it and really punish it with autocross and track days.
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Don't fret, my 603 has a blown oil gallery up front so I get a nice smoke show all the time.

I'm on the fence to just use my No 18 head or wait it out for a No 22. But then the 22 necessitates all the later style crap. Decisions, decisions.
Not necessarily. The guy who did my head (#22) used the original prechambers, fuel lines, etc. I've been told I'm lucky, but it has been fine for over 3 years.
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Old 07-31-2009, 10:44 PM
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whats different about the exhaust manifold, or rather, whats improved? the plan for this is to add some fun parts to it and really punish it with autocross and track days.
The .971 manifold is like the Euro manifold that collects the runners directly into the turbo flange. The emissions manifold in US .96s and .970s collects towards the rear and has the trap or trap replacement pipe feeding the turbo. Lots of extra bends to slow down and cool the exhaust charge.

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whats different about the exhaust manifold, or rather, whats improved? the plan for this is to add some fun parts to it and really punish it with autocross and track days.
Wasn't designed for that crap Trap Ox. It's cleaner looking.



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Not necessarily. The guy who did my head (#22) used the original prechambers, fuel lines, etc. I've been told I'm lucky, but it has been fine for over 3 years.
Hmmmmm interesting. I was under the impression you had to use diff 'chambers, injectors, etc. My SDL isn't a DD so I would probably be fine just using my No 18 as I got it for free. I don't see the vehicle ever getting 100k miles more on it, let alone hitting 300k.
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I'm on the fence to just use my No 18 head or wait it out for a No 22. But then the 22 necessitates all the later style crap. Decisions, decisions.
If the 17 has inclined injectors, doesn't the 18 as well? What's later crap does the 22 need that the 18 doesn't?

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Wasn't designed for that crap Trap Ox. It's cleaner looking.





Hmmmmm interesting. I was under the impression you had to use diff 'chambers, injectors, etc. My SDL isn't a DD so I would probably be fine just using my No 18 as I got it for free. I don't see the vehicle ever getting 100k miles more on it, let alone hitting 300k.
I believe it is preferable, but you don't have to.
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Not necessarily. The guy who did my head (#22) used the original prechambers, fuel lines, etc. I've been told I'm lucky, but it has been fine for over 3 years.
X2. I used gsxr's guidelines to have .96 prechambers milled to fit a 22 head. IIRC I used .96 glow plugs and tweaked the injector lines. I busted a #4 injector line but I forget now whether that was on the .96 wit 22 head or the .971. Most likely the .96 with 22 head so go easy on the tweaking.

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If the 17 has inclined injectors, doesn't the 18 as well? What's later crap does the 22 need that the 18 doesn't?

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I thought 17s came on the W126 cars and anything higher was 140 based? ... needing all 140 top end bits accordingly?
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Old 07-31-2009, 10:53 PM
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How hard is it to convert the vacuum normally open wastegate to a pressure normally closed one?
If you keep the .96/.970 exhaust manifold, you can hang the 55 trim turbo on the 50 trim wastegate. In fact you have to for a bolt on swap. If you keep the 55 trim turbo on the .971 exhaust manifold, it's pretty much what gsxr did to keep it looking nice. What I did entailed bending brackets, punching a new hole in the actuator rod and repositioning lever on the wastegate shaft. Hey, it worked.

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Old 07-31-2009, 10:56 PM
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After rereading my thread from the beginning, I see the 17 is the first head on the 3.5.

babymog, if theres a gain from the manifold I'm going to have to keep it you get the next one I see, or I'll trade for a set of M117 tri-y manifolds

Bio300- the other #14 head itself was $40 +$5 core charge, + additional charges for the turbo, exhaust manifold, intake crossover pipe and I pulled the radiator from that SDL as well since I couldnt find one for under $300 before... everything totalled up was $175.

The other #14 head would probably be fine to use, the donor car was hit in the rear and all fluids in the engine looked good and were at normal levels. The crack is only about 2mm protruding out from the #4 prechamber tip.

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