Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum > Mercedes-Benz Tech Information and Support > Diesel Discussion

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #16  
Old 01-05-2008, 02:32 PM
whunter's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
Posts: 17,416
Answer:

Quote:
Originally Posted by W2014life View Post
One more thing, is there any way to bypass this GP fuse to start the car until the fuse gets here?
I really dislike using starting fluid on the car as my last engine had a tappet break off inside the combustion chamber partially because of it.
"Ether", use and abuse. *Flame suit on*
"Ether", use and abuse. *Flame suit on*

Cold weather starting links
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/137674-cold-weather-starting-links.html#post1018529

Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 01-05-2008, 03:07 PM
JimmyL's Avatar
Rogue T Intolerant!!!
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Sunnyvale, Texas (DFW)
Posts: 9,675
Quote:
Originally Posted by tangofox007 View Post
Still good info; something caused the fuse to melt in half.

Point well taken.....
__________________
Jimmy L.
'05 Acura TL 6MT
2001 ML430 My Spare

Gone:
'95 E300 188K "Batmobile" Texas Unfriendly Black
'85 300TD 235K "The Wagon" Texas Friendly White
'80 240D 154K "China" Scar engine installed
'81 300TD 240K "Smash"
'80 240D 230K "The Squash"
'81 240D 293K"Scar" Rear ended harder than Elton John
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 01-05-2008, 04:22 PM
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Blue Point, NY
Posts: 25,396
Quote:
Originally Posted by W2014life View Post
One more thing, is there any way to bypass this GP fuse to start the car until the fuse gets here? I really dislike using starting fluid on the car as my last engine had a tappet break off inside the combustion chamber partially because of it.
Of course. You could just jump the two Phillips screws with a set of pliers.

But, if you do this, you run the risk of melting the entire wiring harness from the relay to the suspect glow plug at the moment you turn the key.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 01-05-2008, 04:43 PM
compress ignite's Avatar
Drone aspiring to Serfdom
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: 32(degrees) North by 81(degrees) West
Posts: 5,554
No fuse and/or Ether

As you've been told...

Either or both are very,very risky!

Ether CAN burn out your glow plugs.

Trying to bridge a gap that calls for an 80 Amp fuse...
IS asking for very expensive and dangerous trouble!
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 01-05-2008, 05:14 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 192
Quote:
Originally Posted by W2014life View Post
Wow, it seems like this whole system is very sensitive to just about anything. I'm pretty sure I tighened them very tight just so they don't accidently fall off and just to make sure I'll buy a multimeter and give it a shot.
The wire connection on the glow plug (8mm nut) is very close to the engine block. I would visually check (if you don't have an ohmmeter) to see if any are touching. That would be your short that caused the fuse to blow. When I replaced my glow plugs last winter I ohmmed them out before starting the car and found one wire was a direct short touching the engine block.
__________________
1985 300D Turbo
"Evolution is God's way of giving upgrades" Francis Collins
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 01-05-2008, 11:44 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 46
Very good info everyone. I tried to bridge the gap before reading anything....and the metal bridge started to smoke so I took it off immediately, very warm. Monday I'll take off the intake manifold and redo everything. Test the GPs (<1 ohms) with the Multi Meter, correctly tighten the nuts with little effort so they're not touching eachother or the block, then put in a new fuse. It'll be daunting and take long, but worth it.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 01-09-2008, 05:21 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 46
Update: I bought a ohm meter and tested the glow plugs. All were either .9 or 1.0. The nuts were put back on very loose and I paid attention to the wires touching. The 30 amp fuse is still blowing.

I plan to test the relay unplugged from the GPs as soon as more fuses come in. If it doesn't blow then I'll test each individual glow plug.

Last edited by W2014life; 01-09-2008 at 05:46 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 01-09-2008, 05:59 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada.
Posts: 6,510
When you mention the 30 amp fuse is still blowing you are talking about the strip fuse in the glow plug relay? I thought they were more robust than 30 amps. If only thirty amps the fuse cannot sustain the draw. I consider your 30 amp quote as a typo though but just checking.
Since all your plugs readings indicated there was no short in any of them. Can you unplug your glow wire feed harness at the relay and check all the lines for an individual short? Could be a wire harness with poor insulation shorting out somehow for example.
Also what model car do you have? I remember some complaint of a glow plug harness wire rubbing on something or other a short time ago. This resulted in a blown fuse needless to say. Car was not a 616/617.

Last edited by barry123400; 01-09-2008 at 06:08 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 01-10-2008, 01:37 AM
whunter's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
Posts: 17,416
Post #1 data

Quote:
Originally Posted by barry123400 View Post
When you mention the 30 amp fuse is still blowing you are talking about the strip fuse in the glow plug relay? I thought they were more robust than 30 amps. If only thirty amps the fuse cannot sustain the draw. I consider your 30 amp quote as a typo though but just checking.
Since all your plugs readings indicated there was no short in any of them. Can you unplug your glow wire feed harness at the relay and check all the lines for an individual short? Could be a wire harness with poor insulation shorting out somehow for example.
Also what model car do you have? I remember some complaint of a glow plug harness wire rubbing on something or other a short time ago. This resulted in a blown fuse needless to say. Car was not a 616/617.
Car: 1984' 190D - 101,000 miles
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 01-10-2008, 03:14 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 46
No, it's really only 30. I removed the larger of the two connectors on the GP relay today. The 1st cylinder or the one up front was the problem. After a careful inspection, the problem turned out to be the nut. I didn't twist it tight enough and the reading was not showing ~1 because of it. What the original problem was before removing the GP's and testing them I have no idea. So now I wait, hopefully not until Monday, to get 5 more fuses.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 01-10-2008, 03:45 PM
MattBelliveau's Avatar
Gotta another one...
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: NE Ohio
Posts: 1,685
Shouldn't that be an 80a fuse...?
__________________
1989 300E 144K
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 01-10-2008, 11:52 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 46
300D is an 80 amp fuse. 190D is a 30amp. Or at least that's what *********************** is specifying...

Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:47 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2024 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page