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Old 01-05-2008, 09:50 PM
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Non-responsive modulator

When trying to firm up shifts, I turned the modulator key one notch counterclockwise. This had no affect. So I turned it two more, still no affect. I have extremely soft shifts with flaring, and had pulled off the vacuum to the trans earlier, with resulting very hard shifts.

Why is the key not doing anything? Or am I adjusting in too small of increments.

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Old 01-05-2008, 10:00 PM
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It is very possible the vacuum modulator has died from age.

Item Number: 1232700679
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Sub Category: Transmission
Description: VACUUM MODULATOR VALVE
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So those increments usually produce results? I had read one post that someone suggested a turn (360 degrees?) and I believe another one that said vacuum is raised/lowered 2 bar each notch.
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said vacuum is raised/lowered 2 bar each notch.

I strongly doubt that...especially since vacuum isn't generally measured in bar...but inches of mercury (or the metric equivalent)

And 2 bar = 29.4psi...that's a lot



On a sidenote...I did the same thing with my modulator...and it helped a wee bit, but not a whole lot...so I am going to try installing a restrictor valve (boost controller off the Subaru) and see if that will make the vacuum signal calm down a bit.
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That sounds like a good idea. My VCV is non-adjustable, and since the trans is getting too much vacuum, I was hoping for another way of restricting some of the 'flow'.

Because the transmission reacted as predicted when I disconnected the hose does that mean that the modulator is 'functional' but only it the spot it was currently in...something is broken that inhibits adjustment?

I just read another post in the 'it's critical thread' that suggested three full turns... I don't think my measley three notches would do anything.
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You can test the modulator with a mity-vac. Pull vac on the modulator and it should hold for a few seconds then slowly bleed down. If you can't get any vac or it bleeds off quickly then the modulator is bad.
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I'm getting a mity vac from work )mcmaster= on Monday.

She started slipping bad today between 3-4. This went away on its own. I popped off the vacuum to the trans completely, and I no longer get the bone jarring shift, it didn't seem to have any affect. What would cause that? The only thing that has changed (I think) is the modulator position, and with the vacuum disconnected that shouldn't matter.
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I've always found the modulators on this forum to be fairly responsive . . .
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When trying to firm up shifts, I turned the modulator key one notch counterclockwise. This had no affect. So I turned it two more, still no affect. I have extremely soft shifts with flaring, and had pulled off the vacuum to the trans earlier, with resulting very hard shifts.

Why is the key not doing anything? Or am I adjusting in too small of increments.
You should be turning the modulator key clockwise to increase the trans pressure and increase the firmness of the shifts. One complete revolution of the "T" key changes the pressure by about 0.4 bar.
So, you can get about 6 psi change in complete turn.
I have always moved the key in 1/4 turn increments and tested again.
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In my reading have I confused the terms 'vacuum' and 'pressure'. Less vacuum=more transmission pressure, and harder shifting.
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In my reading have I confused the terms 'vacuum' and 'pressure'. Less vacuum=more transmission pressure, and harder shifting.
The pressure referred to is within the transmission in PSI.
The vacuum in inches of Hg is the vacuum applied to the trans modulator.
There is a good write-up on the subject at -

http://www.continentalimports.com/ser_ic20242.html

You really need to get your vacuum supply correct to the modulator
then , if needed , adjust the modulator.
The adjustment on the modulator is changing the dynamic pressure in the transmission in response to vacuum supplied to the modulator.
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My on the trans. line to teh modulator is 18 at idle and only drops to 15 at full throttle. My understanding was that the vcv controls the range, my vcv is the non adjustable kind.

Note that I have my egr and 3/2 out of the equation.

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