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Old 02-03-2008, 03:54 PM
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Have your battery checked. If it was left dead from mid dec till now it is likely toast. You can do a crude test by having all of the caps off of the battery and then have someone turn on the lights or the glow plugs then look in each hole in the battery. If one of the holes "boil " that hole is toast and so is your battery,.Make sure you are wearing eye protection as a battery explosion is a real possibility and can cause serious injury or even kill you.
Another way to test is to have it fully charged (like over night) then take to any place that sells batterys and they will test for you.
You can probably get the car started even if you have a bad battery if you can pull it to like 25 mph then puy it in 2 gear . the compression of the motor will start it sooner or later.( not more than a 1/4 of a mile) This will work with an auto or a standard transmission.
Do for sure have fuel and is it flowing ?
You can determine this by looking at the clear filter by the injection pump.

Good luck and post your results so others can learn.

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Old 02-03-2008, 04:13 PM
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Madsen:

I have an auto. Are you saying, try and pull it and then drop it in gear? I didn't know this worked on an auto.

My battery has been all charged up and it did crank the motor over; however, after I used that damn ether, the car does not crank any more. I wonder what the ether did to it.
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Old 02-03-2008, 04:20 PM
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After that guy sprayed all the ether in there, did you hear it explode or did the engine do anything violent? Mine was so anti-climatic. It just cranked and then seized. Nothing else.
When you say it seized, have you tried turning it by hand, either at the power steering pump or the large bolt on the crankshaft?
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Old 02-03-2008, 04:22 PM
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I agree with others, the ether did not do any damage. Make sure you're getting fuel, rig up a make shift fuel tank, do a purge while you're there. Make sure your starter is up to the task also.

Edit: yes you can pull start an auto, instructions are in the owners manual.
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Old 02-03-2008, 04:31 PM
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I had 2 mb diesels with the no start prob.Not much money and a little time later they are both running down the road.
1)You must check your compression ,a hot battery and good fuel delivery with good glow plugs is nothing without good compression.If it is bad their is a way to bring it back up .(OLD MERCEDES DIESELS ARE NOTORIOUS FOR NO START ISSUES AFTER SITTING UP )
2)Once you have your COMPRESSION numbers right them down for each cylinder.
3)Take your injectors out and package them individually to which cylinder it owns,youll need to get a stick magnet to pull the heat shield OUT also,IT REST DOWN IN THE HOLE UNDER THE INJECTOR ,looks like a washer .Make sure this is done.
4)Pour half a cup of Marvel Mystery oil in each hole and let it soak 2 to 5 days.
5)This is the messy part for your engine,to purge out the oil youll have to turn the motor over spraying out the oil.
6)Recheck your compression(my numbers came up in some holes 130 on the numbers)(still not enough for a start)
7)The final procedure is to buy 2 cans of Rislone compression repair.Pour 2 cap fulls in each hole ,then change your motor oil out with new filter but when adding the oil make sure you mix the rest of the rislone product well with the new motor oil before adding any oil to the engine ,this is critical .Turn the motor to coat the cylinder wall with the rislone ,again very messy ,you might cover the motor area with a sheet.
8)Now, after this is performed your ready to see your results,go back and check your compression ,youll be surprised .Then put back your heat sheilds ,very important,then your injectors.Prime your fuel and your ready for start up .(It would be good to be recharging the battery so its hot on your start up in between the wrenching.)

When changing the oil in the future youll still want to add 1 can Rislone to keep the additive going.Im not saying it will work for you all I can say is that Id spent $350 for a mechanic to get just one of these cars going with no luck and with this method I did it myself for less than $50. ,this included new glow plugs were they were needed before hand.
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Old 02-03-2008, 05:57 PM
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When you say it seized, have you tried turning it by hand, either at the power steering pump or the large bolt on the crankshaft?

I thought of that but I have not done that yet. I will and I'll get back to you.

thx.
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I agree with others, the ether did not do any damage. Make sure you're getting fuel, rig up a make shift fuel tank, do a purge while you're there. Make sure your starter is up to the task also.

Edit: yes you can pull start an auto, instructions are in the owners manual.
Toomany:

Well, that's a relief.

I will try setting up make-shift second tank. thx.

I don't have the owner's manual. What's the trick?
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Old 02-03-2008, 06:02 PM
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I had 2 mb diesels with the no start prob.Not much money and a little time later they are both running down the road.
1)You must check your compression ,a hot battery and good fuel delivery with good glow plugs is nothing without good compression.If it is bad their is a way to bring it back up .(OLD MERCEDES DIESELS ARE NOTORIOUS FOR NO START ISSUES AFTER SITTING UP )
2)Once you have your COMPRESSION numbers right them down for each cylinder.
3)Take your injectors out and package them individually to which cylinder it owns,youll need to get a stick magnet to pull the heat shield OUT also,IT REST DOWN IN THE HOLE UNDER THE INJECTOR ,looks like a washer .Make sure this is done.
4)Pour half a cup of Marvel Mystery oil in each hole and let it soak 2 to 5 days.
5)This is the messy part for your engine,to purge out the oil youll have to turn the motor over spraying out the oil.
6)Recheck your compression(my numbers came up in some holes 130 on the numbers)(still not enough for a start)
7)The final procedure is to buy 2 cans of Rislone compression repair.Pour 2 cap fulls in each hole ,then change your motor oil out with new filter but when adding the oil make sure you mix the rest of the rislone product well with the new motor oil before adding any oil to the engine ,this is critical .Turn the motor to coat the cylinder wall with the rislone ,again very messy ,you might cover the motor area with a sheet.
8)Now, after this is performed your ready to see your results,go back and check your compression ,youll be surprised .Then put back your heat sheilds ,very important,then your injectors.Prime your fuel and your ready for start up .(It would be good to be recharging the battery so its hot on your start up in between the wrenching.)

When changing the oil in the future youll still want to add 1 can Rislone to keep the additive going.Im not saying it will work for you all I can say is that Id spent $350 for a mechanic to get just one of these cars going with no luck and with this method I did it myself for less than $50. ,this included new glow plugs were they were needed before hand.

Chase:

Thanks for the instructions. I don't have the time to do this but come this summer I will. Hopefully I can get it started, or get along without it.
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Madsen:

I have an auto. Are you saying, try and pull it and then drop it in gear? I didn't know this worked on an auto.

My battery has been all charged up and it did crank the motor over; however, after I used that damn ether, the car does not crank any more. I wonder what the ether did to it.
I am jumping in right in the middle but when you say it won't crank that is telling me the motor isn't spinning and the starter isn't working. Is this true?

If so then you need to check the starter circuit out.
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I am jumping in right in the middle but when you say it won't crank that is telling me the motor isn't spinning and the starter isn't working. Is this true?

If so then you need to check the starter circuit out.
MB:

What you're thinking is what I'm saying. I used ether and now the car doesn't even crank.

The starter was working fine before the shot of ether, but now I don't know what the hell is going on. I'm charging my battery up right now and I am going to try and crank it tomorrow. I am also going to try and crank the motor with my hands---on the main pulley.

Other than that, I don't know what i did.
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I'm about 99% certain your battery is toast. Charge and have it load tested just to make sure.
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Look Hardyboy, get your mind off of the ether!!!!
Have your battery tested and go from there.
You can't turn the engine literally with your hands, you put a 27mm socket on the crankshaft bolt and turn it clockwise only. Do you have another vehicle with a good battery you could swap in? Just make sure to connect positive and negative correctly.
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Look Hardyboy, get your mind off of the ether!!!!
Have your battery tested and go from there.
You can't turn the engine literally with your hands, you put a 27mm socket on the crankshaft bolt and turn it clockwise only. Do you have another vehicle with a good battery you could swap in? Just make sure to connect positive and negative correctly.
Will do.

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You can do a crude test by having all of the caps off of the battery and then have someone turn on the lights or the glow plugs then look in each hole in the battery. If one of the holes "boil " that hole is toast and so is your battery,.Make sure you are wearing eye protection as a battery explosion is a real possibility and can cause serious injury or even kill you. JOHN
It sounds like you might be toast as well, doing this test. I would stay away from it. I have done some risky things in my time and looking back realize that I risked injury for what? To save a few bucks or was too lazy to do something properly? No offense, John, but I would be careful about handing out this kind of advise to amateur mechanics.
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As said, you didn't do any damage with the ether, the engine never started and gave it a chance to hurt anything. I would not however recommend using it, as it lacks lubricant for the upper cylinder, and more importantly, diesels do not use throttle to control engine speed, they use fuel supply or starvation. Simply put, if you do get it to start, you better hope you have just a little fume in there 'cuz if theres any liquid buildup evaporating or such in the intake, that engine's going to take off & rev like it's never done before in runaway mode. I almost did that to a bulldozer once, scared the hell outta me. (owner of the dozer was too cheap to repair his glow plugs, was how he started it).

If it quit cranking as you say, you need to check your connections and cables, but most likely the battery is shot after having sat that long discharged, that's the fastest way to ruin a battery. You are probably experiencing whats called a ghost charge, where the battery seems ok, looks like it has 12v, but has no capacity left to store energy, so its a very quick short surface charge it holds, and suddenly it's just not there anymore.

Do what Jimmy said about spinning the engine with a wrench to make sure it still rotates, check your battery and cable connections, and put a voltmeter across your battery, if the battery goes to 8v or less during cranking, it is dead. If it looks ok and the wires are all ok, the starter may have decided to bite it.

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