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Old 02-11-2008, 10:06 PM
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Cool Glow Plugs: Intermittent Problems

I have '85 300D 617 and the on dash glow plug light works intermittently as does the relay. I can hear the relay popping appropriately when it's working but more and more often the relay isn't working and and the dash light doesn't come on either. I tested the relay according to the great tutorial on Dieselgiant.com and everything checks out. I tested the wires for excessive resistance and the pulled the glow plugs to see if they lit up. Everything works. Except... except when it's cold (30*F or less). More than likely when it's cold the glow plug system won't perform. Honestly, the system works famously whenever it's warm but not when it's cold. I'm at a loss. Question: do relays go out by performing sporadically for a while before they finally die completely? I was under the impression they would just quit, not die a long, lingering and frustrating death. I don't mind buying a new relay if I knew that would fix it. Thanks everybody, I appreciate any help or ideas you can offer.

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Old 02-12-2008, 09:51 AM
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Check the strip fuse in the relay. It may be broke or loose or have corrisition.
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Old 02-12-2008, 10:51 AM
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I was under the impression they would just quit, not die a long, lingering and frustrating death. I don't mind buying a new relay if I knew that would fix it. Thanks everybody, I appreciate any help or ideas you can offer.
Where did you get that impression? The timer is controlled by a solid state device, so it is absolutely capable of displaying a myriad of unusual behaviors. Absent a fuse problem or a bad connection on the smaller connector, it's probably time for a new timer.
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Old 02-12-2008, 09:34 PM
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Thanks for the responses. The strip fuse does check out. I wasn't aware of a timer for the relay. Is that located within the relay box or is it somewhere else?
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Old 02-12-2008, 10:41 PM
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Is that located within the relay box or is it somewhere else?
All in the black box.
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Old 02-12-2008, 11:44 PM
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what you describe is exactly what happened in my 1985 300d turbo. I checked everything twice, and still had intermittent problems. REplaced relay with a new unit, and have not had a single problem since. Double check all connections, and if thats not it, it's probably a dying relay.
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Old 02-13-2008, 12:07 AM
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I'm on it tomorrow. I just wanted someone to confirm my suspicions about the relay. $98 for a new one doesn't kill me but I hate throwing money against good working parts. Thanks again.
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Old 02-13-2008, 01:38 AM
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I'm on it tomorrow. I just wanted someone to confirm my suspicions about the relay. $98 for a new one doesn't kill me but I hate throwing money against good working parts. Thanks again.
me too I figured after 360K It probably deserved a $100 relay AND new glow plugs.

I know....I know... the glow plugs are probably spoiling the old girl...
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Old 02-13-2008, 01:49 AM
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I'm on it tomorrow. I just wanted someone to confirm my suspicions about the relay. $98 for a new one doesn't kill me but I hate throwing money against good working parts. Thanks again.
You did the right thing. There is a lot of threads were members have not done the trouble shooting that could have been done with a $5 or less multimeter and replaced the GP relay only to find out it was the glow plugs. Intermittent problems are the worst PITAs.

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