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Old 02-17-2008, 04:36 PM
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Where can one purchase the Beru instant start system?

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Old 02-18-2008, 01:45 AM
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Where can one purchase the Beru instant start system?

John
I don't think they make that system for our diesels.....but the Bosch afterglow system with duraterm glow plugs seems to do an excellent job. It turned our 300D from a cranky-below-35F...hard to start (20 second of cranking in the cold) to a glow for 10 seconds and have a near-instant startup vehicle. It had the ORIGINAL glow plugs in it. Those were probably just about useless.
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Old 02-19-2008, 08:12 PM
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Just a follow-up to the starting problems. I replaced the injectors over the weekend, the old ones were pretty gunked up. Today at school the car sat in 13F all day and started right up! Tomorrow will be another test, it's only going to reach 5F.

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Old 02-19-2008, 09:52 PM
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Have the valves been set to proper spec's? It made a heck of a difference in cold starting my 300D.

The owners manuals on my 85 300D mentions to pump the accelerator pedal 2 times when temps get below a certain point.

I live in Iowa and this is the car my daughter drives to school, some days the car sits in the parking lot from 8 am to 10 pm. I have her do 2 glow cycles pump the throttle second pump stays down and keep it cranked until it starts, it has taken up to 30 seconds to fire off in the sub zero temps.
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Old 02-20-2008, 12:04 AM
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I have a 2 battery set-up in my car. If someone can tell me how to upload pix, I would gladly post them.
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Old 02-20-2008, 12:27 AM
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I have a 2 battery set-up in my car. If someone can tell me how to upload pix, I would gladly post them.
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When your posting, look below the posting box where you type (scroll down a bit) and you will see the "manage attachments" button. Click it, and it will bring up a box where you can choose files (pictures etc) on your pc to upload, upload them, close out of the box, and then click "submit reply" and you will have posted with your pictures attached.

I for one would like to see your dual battery setup.
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Old 02-20-2008, 12:31 AM
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Have the valves been set to proper spec's? It made a heck of a difference in cold starting my 300D.

The owners manuals on my 85 300D mentions to pump the accelerator pedal 2 times when temps get below a certain point.

I live in Iowa and this is the car my daughter drives to school, some days the car sits in the parking lot from 8 am to 10 pm. I have her do 2 glow cycles pump the throttle second pump stays down and keep it cranked until it starts, it has taken up to 30 seconds to fire off in the sub zero temps.
What it says in the manual works for a new/young engine, but when they are older its harder for them to build heat/compression, so its best to simply glow and then start cranking to let it build up heat with minimal fuel in the cylinders, thats your best bet to get it going.


Thursday morning its supposed to be like between -5 and -10F ACTUAL temperature here. We'll see how the cars like it. I may plug mine in though....just so I have heat inside quicker. I bet the 300D will fire off in less than 4 rotations. It fired in 2 seconds at 0F....so I doubt any issues there. Mine will probably have to rotate 10-12 times before its going...but it will start. Mine has "moderate" blowby. Its only like 8F out right now and I started it in the freezing school parking lot where it sat for 9 hours today only a little while ago....started fine. Maybe 4-5 seconds of cranking.
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Old 02-20-2008, 08:25 AM
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I don't know what an OEM starter costs, but I would consider a mean green gear reduction starter. Look Here
I bought a similar starter for my Scout last year. I paid about $300 for it shipped from Singapore. Worth every penny. If I ever buy a replacement starter it will definitely be a gear reduction.
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Old 02-20-2008, 02:44 PM
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If you're going to do something like that, you might as well just pick up one of those battery boost packs. inexpensive and much more convenient with the alligator clips already part of it. That is what I have for those situations, although if the vehicle battery is already weak, sometimes it's not enough for a diesel.
Adding a second battery would be the most reliable and least amount of starting hassle.
I have one of those, it doesn't work if the system is drained too low. Just barely makes the engine move. completely useless.

If you add a second battery, i assume you mean, add the battery and keep it connected always. The problem with that is it would drain down if your alternator went out and you didn't know it (like i experienced). Then you would just have two dead batteries. But the issue here is cold starting
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Old 02-20-2008, 05:48 PM
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It's supposed to get down to -15F here tonight. The 240D will be inside our unheated attached garage with the trickle charger on overnight. Since I changed the injectors this past weekend, it's started up with less than 5-6 cranks after sitting in the school parking lot all day.

The valves were adjusted 6000 miles ago and will be due again this spring.

I also would like to see the pics of the dual battery setup.

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Old 02-20-2008, 07:04 PM
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I am sorry to say that I haven't been able to upload the pixs of my set-up. The jist of it is that the battery is placed in the area where the turbo intake is. I set up the battery tray there and screwed it into the metal underneath.
The wiring is in series but goes through a relay to isolate the battery when the car is off. The control wiring is attached in the fusebox, which causes the relay to change states and closes, when the key is in the on position.
The wires themselves is #6 gauge, that connect the batterys. This set-up only supplements the primary battery, and has been effective for my situation.
I do have pictures on my computer, but haven't been able to downsize the files enough for me to upload them, any help with that would really be great...
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Old 02-20-2008, 08:43 PM
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I have to assume you mean the relay is closed in the run and start position.
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Old 02-20-2008, 08:56 PM
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Shouldn't the batteries be wired in parallel to maintain a 12V system?

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Old 02-20-2008, 11:16 PM
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Shouldn't the batteries be wired in parallel to maintain a 12V system?

John
Yes....in series it'd blow out everything on the car....that'd be over 24 volts!
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Old 02-21-2008, 06:05 AM
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You're right, it is in parallel. Thank you for catching that obvious mistake, I definatly wouldn't want someone to do that. I will proof read my notes before I post them.
As far as the relay is concerned it is a normaly open relay and when it receives the 12v, it closes (changes states) and the current is applied to the system.
Hopefully today I will be able to get the pix loaded, and sent to Hangit he'll probably be able to do something with them. Thank you all for you patients.
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