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Old 02-24-2008, 08:31 PM
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Question about hubs

I've had bad brake squeal for over a year. Had the brakes done THREE TIMES in less than a year.

Today I had a mechanic come, who works from the trunk of his car only (which scared me), who says he's a brake expert. He came, immediately found out that the wheel shakes. So he took off the wheel and caliper, pryed off the cap over the hub (is that what it's called? Under the cap is a bunch of grease and stuff), and once the cap was off, tightened up the big nut just to where it was snug, not tight. I asked him about that, he said you don't want to make it tight, something about it works against another nut.

He used a special silver aluminum dust anti-squeal kind of stuff in different places, said it's European anti-squeal.

We tested it, sort of no squeal, one little one, but at least it was a lot better. Then when he left, it started to squeal a bit more, so I'll have to see how it goes.

But about the hubs, just tightening the bit nut just a bit, is that the way to do it? He showed me when he was done, that the wheel didn't shake left to right like it did before he did that.

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Old 02-24-2008, 08:38 PM
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If the front wheel bearings were loose / had play, they needed adjustment. I'm used to them requiring a torque-setting, but haven't done Mercedes wheel bearings so that's not my area (yet).

As far as brake squeal, you say you have "had the brakes done", what was done?

If there is a squeak, it might be the pads you're using. It can also be the rotor surface, you can go in and rough them up a bit with 600grit paper and brake the glaze on the rotors, that might help also. Another thing I used to do with fair-weather cars is to spray some water on the (cold) rotors and let them sit overnight, the slight rust would break up the smooth surface.

There's an old saying: "Germans don't care if the brakes squeak, as long as they stop the car. Americans don't care if the brakes don't stop the car, as long as they don't squeak."
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Old 02-24-2008, 09:58 PM
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What was done?

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As far as brake squeal, you say you have "had the brakes done", what was done?

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I had new NAPA OEM rotors put on, and MB pads (Padgid brand), for all 4 wheels, and new sensors put on the fronts (I don't think the back has any).

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Old 02-24-2008, 10:14 PM
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Today I had a mechanic come, who works from the trunk of his car only (which scared me), who says he's a brake expert.
An expert would have used a dial indicator when he/she adjusted the bearings. People who don't just think they are experts!!!
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Yes, Mercedes calls for a dial indicator. Other manufacturers usually have a torque spec for the nut. The last time I did one was when I had the catastrophic rotor failure on my 240D. The "brim" separated from the "hat" when I nailed the brakes hard at about 70. So, I had to put a new rotor on. I did this in one of the shops at work, but it was after hours, so I couldn't borrow any tools and had to go by feel. I'm pretty sure I went a little too tight, since the car started pulling to that side slightly, but that's diminishing and everything seems ok 4,000 miles later.
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Old 02-24-2008, 10:59 PM
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The last time I did one was when I had the catastrophic rotor failure on my 240D. The "brim" separated from the "hat" when I nailed the brakes hard at about 70.
Going down a steep hill, no doubt!!!
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Old 02-25-2008, 08:01 PM
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He used a special silver aluminum dust anti-squeal kind of stuff in different places, said it's European anti-squeal.

We tested it, sort of no squeal, one little one, but at least it was a lot better. Then when he left, it started to squeal a bit more, so I'll have to see how it goes.
My mechanic insists on using some sort of red goo on the pad backs. When it gets cold, or after a few months, the goo hardens up and glues the pads to the caliper pistons. In the middle of this winter it got so bad I had to pull the rears and replace the goo with silicone brake grease. The rears still squeal a little, but at least I don't wake the entire neighborhood pulling out of my driveway anymore.

When I did the fronts, I replaced the fossilized red goo there too and used a file to round off the edges of the pads that face the inside and outside edge of the rotor (ie. where the rust builds up because the pads don't rub). More than a year later and they still don't squeal.

Of course, now I can hear all the other unhappy noises the car makes
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Put new padgid pads on my 95e300d. Squeeked all the time. After about 250 miles, I couldn't take it and installed new Textar pads - all is well.
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I notice that on occasion, just before coming to a (squealing) stop, the squealing will actually set off the anti-lock system. That'll freak you out the first time it happens!
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Old 02-26-2008, 09:33 PM
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There's an old saying: "Germans don't care if the brakes squeak, as long as they stop the car. Americans don't care if the brakes don't stop the car, as long as they don't squeak."
I must be German. That would explain my last name. Or maybe it's just all the time driving air brakes. They always squeak.
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What happens when the anti-lock goes on?

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I notice that on occasion, just before coming to a (squealing) stop, the squealing will actually set off the anti-lock system. That'll freak you out the first time it happens!
What happens when the anti-lock comes on?

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