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Old 03-05-2008, 04:16 PM
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You want to talk legality, let's talk legality. Otherwise, let's continue the topic that is more relevant to the OP, ie Lovecraft and single-tank SVO conversions.
Okay, lets do. Lovecraft and every other company that sells/installs "conversions" are illegal. Why they are allowed to continue selling them? I don't know. There should be a crackdown.

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Old 03-05-2008, 04:18 PM
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and yet there is not.

Bringing your certainty about the absoluteness of their illegality into question.
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Old 03-05-2008, 04:22 PM
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and aside from that it's pretty easy to see why there hasn't been a "crackdown":

1) Most people don't care if others want to run their car on veggie oil
2) The government should have (and apparently does) better things to do than to crack down on the tiny percentage using SVO of the tiny percentage of the population that uses diesel cars/trucks.
3) They probably recognize that there's no point in shutting down the companies because (a) they pay business taxes and bring in revenue, and (b) people will still do the conversions themselves even without a convenient company to provide a neat little kit for them.
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Old 03-05-2008, 04:26 PM
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and aside from that there are MANY reasons why there hasn't been a "crackdown":
1) Most people are ignorant to the fact that VO is an illegal fuel.
2) The government should have better things to do than to crack down on the tiny insignificant percentage using SVO of the tiny percentage of the population that uses diesel cars/trucks such as blowing our generation's budget on a useless war.
3) They probably recognize that there's no point in shutting down the companies because (a) more will pop up in their place, and (b) people will still break the law themselves.

Feel free to report any violations to the EPA Enforcement Office contact, Jack McLaughlin. Mclaughlin.Jackj@epamail.epa.gov
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Old 03-05-2008, 04:43 PM
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1) Most people are ignorant to the fact that VO is an illegal fuel.
What makes the fuel itself illegal?

Seems to me that you are stretching the idea that alot of people are not paying road tax into this weak declaration that VO is some sort of controlled dangerous substance.

I didn't go back and read the whole thread, so forgive me if you already posted a link to the legislation or supreme court decision that specifically bans VO as fuel.
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Old 03-05-2008, 04:47 PM
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What makes the fuel itself illegal?
Did you not read my post earlier?

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Raw vegetable oil or recycled greases (also called waste
cooking oil) that have not been processed into esters are not biodiesel,
and are not registered by EPA for legal use in vehicles. In addition,
vehicles converted to use these oils would likely need to be certified
by the EPA; to date EPA has not certified any conversions.
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Old 03-05-2008, 04:56 PM
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Did you not read my post earlier?
That email is very, very misleading. It suggests that you can homebrew BioD and run that legally? Come on. I find it funny that your whole argument hinges on this half-baked email from a poorly informed government worker.

I particularly love how he completely avoids saying what makes VO illegal? And what makes BioD legal.

Keep digging.

[edit] I also love how he basically says that something that is 4/5 VO is legal (biodiesel).

Also, I'd love to read the email you sent that got this response.
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I particularly love how he completely avoids saying what makes VO illegal? And what makes BioD legal.
I'll say it again. EPA approval/registration/certification.

Is BioDiesel sold at stations and pumps throughout the country? Yes. Is SVO or WVO sold at stations and pumps anywhere the country? No.

Some states have methods of tracking home BioDiesel production and taxation, some states do not.

Keep digging yourself.
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Old 03-05-2008, 05:04 PM
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Keep digging yourself.
Just out of curiosity, answer this question for me. If someone gave you a magic part that you could put on your car that would let you run it on water, would you wait to install it until the EPA figured out how to certify and regulate this new "fuel." After all, water has been around forever and is far from something that could be considered dangerous or unstable.
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If someone gave you a magic part that you could put on your car that would let you run it on water, would you wait to install it until the EPA figured out how to certify and regulate this new "fuel."
No, because there is no such device and hypothetical questions like that are a waste of time meant to derail the tread and cause disruption.
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Old 03-05-2008, 05:32 PM
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Feel free to report any violations to the EPA Enforcement Office contact, Jack McLaughlin. Mclaughlin.Jackj@epamail.epa.gov
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Dont forget to turn yourself in for disabling the EGR valve on your car.

Or do you want us to turn you in ?


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Old 03-05-2008, 05:36 PM
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O yea, I about forgot.

The state of Texas says that we do not have to pay road tax on veggie.

And there are a few other states, I cannot rember which ones.

This seems to fly in the face of any EPA rules.


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Old 03-05-2008, 07:28 PM
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No, because there is no such device and hypothetical questions like that are a waste of time meant to derail the tread and cause disruption.
Wake up, man. That's all that's going on here. A tiny mod to the car and you can run something as basic and readily available as water.
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Old 03-05-2008, 09:45 PM
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Wake up, man. That's all that's going on here. A tiny mod to the car and you can run something as basic and readily available as water.
Hardly a "tiny" mod since its altering/replacing major components and flow path of the fuel system.
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My goodness, we've descended into some depths here.

What if you ran off of something as basic and readily available as water, but your car puked acrid smoke all over the road?

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