4Matic TD?
 

http://calgary.craigslist.ca/car/581121391.html

Did they make an AWD diesel?

Its not a US model....not sure if Canada would have gotten them. It could likely be a euro model. Either way, rare combination indeed! I'd love to have that car.

I think the height of the 603 required a front axle to run through the oil pan on these cars.

Canada and the rest of the world got the 300D 4matic and 300TD 4matic, but not the USA.

Now a 4matic is a good reason to buy a w124.

Canada never got that model. Canada always got whatever US got.
THis is a Euro car. It's actually pretty common in Europe to have both sedan and wagons with 4matic with diesel.. but only in the 603 engine combo.

BTW this particular car the 4matic in non operational and requires repair.
A year ago there was a Japan import 300TD 4matic with less than 60k miles on it! That one sold for $13k CDN.

Hope this helps.

There is a local judge who has about a 92 300d fourmatic. Its white.

I am sure its not euro.

Tom W

Apparently it's multi-fuel capable! ;)

Yes, the 124 diesel wagon doesn't have enough big ticket items to repair. Why not throw another unreliable expensive system in the mix.

The early 4-matics were not very reliable. Seems like I read somewhere that MB even debated using the term 4-matic on the new system. I'm told the new system is a simpler design and more reliable. Maybe advisorguy can weigh in on this issue.

The new design uses open differentials and electronic controls which run the brakes.

my local indy has an 87 300E 4matic in the shop. After drewling over the OE euro headlights with washer system, i realized it was actually a 4matic (a grey market car). i didnt know they made that system back in 87. Upon further review, the shifter had the E/S switch and also had a power rear sunshade.

However, the entire 4matic system was gutted, it had no oil in the resevoir, even the 4matic computer was removed. these older 4matic systems are just soo troublesome. most that come in to his shop are 2wd only. With good snows, you really dont need the 4matic system, it just add's complexity and weight. I have driven my 400E with studded snows through some of the worst conditions you can dream of. Never once got stuck.

The 4matic system (first generation) was built by Steyr-Puch (Austrian, makes the Pitzgaer (sp?) and other military vehicles). It was a electro-hydraulic clutch system, changed modes based on several sensors iincluding ABS, steering-wheel angle, lateral accelerometers, throttle position, etc. It was driven by the same hydraulic system that runs the SLS. Mine had the transfer-case re-sealed twice by the time I hit 100,000miles, at $3500 a shot in mid-'90s money, and several other problems. Besides that, it was a reactive system, would react to a loss of traction, too late to prevent it, I was quite dissapointed after driving quattros for almost a decade. The second generation is worse, basically a viscous-locked differential system which is also reactive but has to control wheelspin with traction-control type reactions, rather than properly distributing the torque in the first place (like a quattro does).

Never available in the US in a diesel, and yes, the 4matic (gas and diesel) runs the right axle-shaft through the engine crankcase.

Basically a housewife AWD system though.

* My experience has been the same as several critics in this thread of the 4matic. Early 90's 124TE transfer cases leaked internally and couldn't be repaired.
* The transfer case, which lives on the back of the automatic transmission has ATF in part of it and hydraulic fluid in part of it, and the fluids aren't supposed to mix. The problem I encountered with the transfer case was that the hydraulic fluid would find it's way into the ATF and eventually onto the ground (out the breather when the case was full; i.e., you keep adding hydraulic fluid to the reservoir and don't see where it's going, yet). The transfer case had to be replaced with a redesigned unit since seals and gaskets wouldn't cure the old one. I was told that by '92 or '93 all the 4matic 124TEs had the newer design transfer case
* Then the electronics would occationally engage the 4matic when there was no wheel slippage. A surprise on a dry highway!

i would cherish one of those.im sure there would be significant fuel savings over my gasser.by the way effective and easy solutions for all of the significant 4 matic problems have now been discovered.witness mine.18 years on the road with 400 kkm:)

haha.. you guys have to suffer just like us



-sarcasm- ;)

Except they get only the 75mpg SMART CDI while we get only the porked out 40mpg SMART g@sser with a Mitsubishi engine.

Discovering problems is only the beginning. Then comes paying to fix the problems. Next up is trying to explain to your wife why the 21 year old car is more expensive than the 6 month old car.:eek:

Explaining to my friends why my new $74,500 '91 4matic was in the shop for weeks at a time and I was driving a $10,000 Jetta loaner, ... not fun either.

Yikes! You forgot the, :eek::eek::eek:! Weeks at a time.....

ive been pretty lucky with my 4matic i admit.as i peer out my window here today at another record snowfall im confident my 4matic will again prove itself worthy.:cool: