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Old 03-17-2008, 04:21 PM
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376pmg...if only I could get it to work on a 617

A little technology from the 70's no less

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Old 03-17-2008, 04:55 PM
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That's pretty cool.
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Old 03-17-2008, 05:52 PM
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and a german car no less!!
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Old 03-17-2008, 06:07 PM
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Yeah, but I'll settle for a German made motorcycle by a combined effort of BMW and Hatz! It's a BMW R series mated to a 5 speed gear box with a 3 cylinder Hatz Air Cooled Diesel and it's built to be B1oo friendly! 94MPG
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Actually raising the fuel temperature to the vapourization point is what it sounds like they accomplished. The carburator to deal with this may have been quite complex. It may not have even been one as we remember them. The project If nothing else seems to indicate too much energy potential is lost when injecting small droplets over pure vapour into an engine.
Maybe there is yet some hope for the gas engine. I wonder how much energy was used to boil the gas off? Would not take much. Funny I do not remember reading about this back then or since.
Yet our fuel was so cheap by comparison to today it would have not made particularily large waves then. Some of this technology might get a curent new design car to a hundred miles per gallon one would think. The downside is it might have been discounted for mainstream applications because the process was hard to regulate or destroyed engines.
Who knows if we may hear of it again?

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Old 03-17-2008, 06:45 PM
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lol @ the "seat."
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Actually raising the fuel temperature to the vapourization point is what it sounds like they accomplished.
I wonder how much energy was used to boil the gas off
Sounds a little scary
I wonder though, could diesel be raised to a point of vaporization
before injecting into the cyl. and would it have the potential of radically
increased mpg?
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This never went mainstream because of the oil companies. Why would they want a vehicle that made consumers by less gas? In their mind, lets take FOREVER to development an efficient car so we can make more money. Plain and simple.
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Old 03-18-2008, 01:35 AM
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Sounds a little scary
I wonder though, could diesel be raised to a point of vaporization
before injecting into the cyl. and would it have the potential of radically
increased mpg?
I don't think our IPs could pump vapour

But who knows what can be accomplished........
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Old 03-18-2008, 02:29 AM
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This never went mainstream because of the oil companies.
No, it never made it to market because it was extremely SLOW and nobody would actually buy it.
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i forgot the name of the car but it was i believe from the 70's or 80's not sure maybe earlier, but this car got like 70 miles to the gallon and had like over 200 horsepower. The key to that mileage was to atomize the fuel. This was done by running it through two sets of wire like cylinders that ran at 10,000 rpm. the car was also a turbo both the turbo and the wire brushes were run off the exhaust gases. I saw this car on My Classic Cars on Speed Channel. Why couldn't we utilize this type of technology now to increase fuel mileage. It would also seem to be that emissions would be lower in that the combustion camber temperatures would be greater.
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Old 03-18-2008, 04:34 AM
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Why couldn't we utilize this type of technology now to increase fuel mileage.
Because it was fake, it didn't really work.
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Old 03-18-2008, 04:38 AM
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Because it was fake, it didn't really work.

People, there is no way you can power a 4000lb vehicle with ****ty wind resistance 370 miles on one gallon of gasoline. It doesnt matter how thin the tires are, its dependent on wind resistance.
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i forgot the name of the car but it was i believe from the 70's or 80's not sure maybe earlier, but this car got like 70 miles to the gallon and had like over 200 horsepower. The key to that mileage was to atomize the fuel. This was done by running it through two sets of wire like cylinders that ran at 10,000 rpm. the car was also a turbo both the turbo and the wire brushes were run off the exhaust gases. I saw this car on My Classic Cars on Speed Channel. Why couldn't we utilize this type of technology now to increase fuel mileage. It would also seem to be that emissions would be lower in that the combustion camber temperatures would be greater.
Might search for Smokey Yunicks vapor engine. Popular Science or Popular Mechanics tested it in the early 80's in a Dodge Horizon. I also heard of a Fiero. Basically used the coolant to heat the fuel and used a turbo to act as a one way valve. Also, might search semi-adiabatic. I read in one of the auto magazines that GM had plans for it in the S-10 in '88. THe patent got tied up in a legal battle. The concern the Smokey sold the license to wanted more money from GM.
Also, Honda used this technology in F1 in the late 80's. They were dominate during that time, with V-6 turbo powered cars.
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Old 03-18-2008, 11:38 AM
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Sounds a little scary
I wonder though, could diesel be raised to a point of vaporization
before injecting into the cyl. and would it have the potential of radically
increased mpg?
The NACA had a paper on this. It does work to some extent but you have to mess with your injection timing because at higher temperatures diesel fuel becomes more compressible.

go here and search for NACA-tn-565

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp

another article is NACA-report-435

http://naca.central.cranfield.ac.uk/report.php?NID=1082

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