Also in cold weather, people run B20 right? That's 80% dino diesel. Not much bio going on there @ 20%.

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I used to make the bioD. Right now I don't have the time.
5 kids (4 at home one in college), 2 businesses (one more needy than the other), house, car, taking kids here and there. . . I get tired each morning THINKING about what I need to do each day. Adding bioD making to the list would just make me not want to get out of bed.
Greasecar is good. The conversion is easy to do and easy to keep up with.
To each her own.

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78 300SD, 265K (mine)

thought about that too. found this.

http://www.frybrid.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8348

this is a discussion on a "test" that was done by one of the forum members. he basically took various ratios of #2 and vo, put them in a muffin tin and baked them in his oven. the vo with the #2 in it did not poly or did not poly as much as the vo alone (which went solid). there are aditives in the #2 to keep it stable, which seem to also benefit the vegy. kinda like adding antifreeze to regular tap increases the boiling point of the water and in hibits corrosion. even if its only a 10% solution your going to see a difference. same same.

Slightly off topic but you guys finding restaurants starting to get greedy and wanting more $ for their oil lately???

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1979 300SD
1975 450SL
2014 Ram Cummins Megacab (tow rig)

They tell me the price of their canola is going up. They are changing the oil less, so I get less oil and it's not as clear. I just changed sources for the 3rd time in a year.

It isn't as easy as it was 2-3 years ago, that's for sure.

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1999 e300d PlantDrive WVO/SVO conversion
**note to self: oil changed at 268k kms**
1990 Toyota 4Runner FrankenDiesel swap

Thats the first sign of the fad's decline. Restaurants are starting to realize that there is now a demand for their supply and they can recoup part of the cost or even return a profit. Once the fad followers figure out that their "free" fuel is no longer as free as it used to be they will start to give up and eventually return to their normal routines.

The laws of supply and demand are (finally) starting to catch up. Soon we'll start seeing more fuel price threads AND veggie oil price threads.

I would imagine they would realize the value of the oil and capitalize on it just like anyone else would. Costs of fuel affect their overhead too. They have to pay to get raw goods into make food too. And so they would and should look for ways to offset that. Rather than take pennies per gallon from a recycler.

A tip here for you guys. In studying our various sources here on campus ( a little survey we had some of our students do) we discovered that the chain "Chick Fil A" (or however you spell their name) has a policy that all of their places change all the frying oil every day. So they output some of the highest quality used oil that we get. Not broken down by long usage. Makes some of the best fuel.

This sounds like a business opportunity, someone should start buying up all the sources in an area and reselling it at a profit (with road taxes withheld). If they bought up all the available supply, everyone would be forced to go to him and he could name his price.

interesting use of the word "fad"

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Jake
1999 e300d PlantDrive WVO/SVO conversion
**note to self: oil changed at 268k kms**
1990 Toyota 4Runner FrankenDiesel swap

I sounds like the perfect word, here's part of the definition:

noun
an intense and widely shared enthusiasm for something, esp. one that is short-lived and without basis in the object's qualities; a craze.

That's the problem with a good idea and a lot of enthusiasm on the part of its adopters. Once too many people get in on it, "there goes the neighborhood!"

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Max 1984 300TD 285,000 miles - Sold
The Dee8gonator 1987 560SEC 196,000 miles - Sold
Orgasmatron - 2006 CLS500 90,000 miles
2002 C320 Wagon 122,000 miles
2016 AMG GTS 12,000 miles

What do you consider short? The infopop forum has been up since 2000, that's a long fad. I guess you could say the fad of buying and keeping up old mercedes will one day come to and end when the majority of the cars available have rusted bodies and neglected engines.

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The WVO fad will go away when the supply of free WVO goes away and/or when the supply of cheap diesel cars is killed off. The vast majority of the participants in this particular fad are not going to be willing to pay for WVO or spend any real money on their cars. They will just move on to the next fad when this one ends.

Hopefully, the supply of abused old diesels will go away soon, then only decent cars and the people who are serious about preserving them will be left. I'm guessing that all the junk should be gone in another 5 years, then the values should start to go up and the hacks will have to find something else to destroy.

Thats because there is more of a demand for the oil because of the biodiesel "fad".Renders and biodiesel pressors are starting to pay them maybe 10 cents a gallon. Ok so you offer them 25 cents . Slightly better then $4.00 a gal

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In a way, I see where you're coming from. There are a lot of "hack" conversions out there running crap cars on poorly filtered oil. (read: Lovecraft)

However, there are also many of us who have put serious coin into our cars. An e300d is 30-50% more expenisive in Canada than in the US. I paid 15k for mine, and my conversion cost almost 2k. I've been running WVO for over 5 years, and it has saved me ~10k. Dismissing it as a "fad" ignores the fact that it is a very practical way to save money, for those of us willing to deal with the hassle.

If anything drives up the value of WVO, it will be biodiesel. There just aren't enough people willing to convert their cars and then collect, filter and dewater used oil. However, as the demand for "pump" biodiesel increases, the value of the "waste" product will go up. I think we're seeing that. However, in my climate biodiesel works like crap in the winter. You can't even run b20 from november to April. So, the value of new canola may go up globally due to the value as a fuel, but locally the demand for WVO hasn't gone up significantly.

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1999 e300d PlantDrive WVO/SVO conversion
**note to self: oil changed at 268k kms**
1990 Toyota 4Runner FrankenDiesel swap