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sethyboy85 · #46 05-31-2008, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bio300TDTdriver

That is very close to trolling IMO. Obviously you support the war monger in your adopted state.

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Originally Posted by Bio300TDTdriver

Ah, no. Here on earth in this thread, we were discussing window tinting. I brought up the fact that you were trolling. You said that anyone that voted for Obama was dumb. Maybe you should check your medication.

wee on topic....

damn I need to get a benz with factory tint so the cops won't bother me about it.

BoomInTheTrunk · #47 05-31-2008, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by chuni959

hrmm well it probably complied with CA tint laws, which im sure are much more lenient than ILs. But yeah, like someone said, go to a tint shop and get the exact tint % and fight it

You are joking right? California doesn't let you have any tint on the front driver and passenger windows.

barry123400 · #48 05-31-2008, 09:28 AM

Their has always been injustice. It is either increasing with more refined retoric or my age makes it more noticeable. You can twist anything to justify it if you work on it. You kind of have to go with the flow.
The system is set up on purpose or design if you wish. Allowing it to have sophisticated regulatory penalties. Or endless red tape that you cannot seem to overcome. It is not a kind society.

As has been implied try to just grin and bear it. Governments empower themselves in this fashion. Ethics no longer matter. The court system is there but generally too punative financially so you pay. Civil court actions are not for the average guy and there is no way to tell how it will go in advance either. The courts are funny places as well. Everyone swears to tell the truth yet the best liar seems to prevail. So it too is just part of the game. Allow I might just be a cynic.

The last running battle I had with them cost me a lot. Believe me 25.00 is a very small injustice by my standards. Look on the bright side as well. There are larger ones out there waiting for you.

I deal with them several times a year. I think the average person just does not comprehend the structure. Or has gotten smart enough to realise you can do basically nothing about it in the majority of cases. Throwing stones at windmills unfortunatly comes to mind.

Since there seems to be no overall solution to this trend. The best defence is to drive your income upward to enable them to be taken in stride easier .

That never repairs the head problem though. I still feel each and everyone of them when they occur. For example in my semi rural area they raised all the traffic code fines so high provincially or state wide in your case the police do not enforce them much if at all were I live.

Their greed became counter productive or resulted in very little change in the revenue flow in my type of rural area instead. In the medium to larger cities where everything is impersonal basically things are different. There the revenue flow has probably increased big time.
Since the poulation is very large there in comparison to ours. . The trend is working well for them overall. It will intensify in my opinion with time. Once they can figure out a way to apply it locally it will be here as well.
Now they just threaten the enforcement officers with loss of there jobs by not meeting ticket quotas. Knowing their replacements would act the same stops them from moving on it. They thought they had it beat by hiring women police officers. That did not last either. My wife taught their kids. They have families and have to be part of the community as well.

Given time they will find a way. I am reticent in suggesting ways.

We have basically no crime by north american standards. They ultimatly could destroy that.

The latest additions to the traffic code fine structure in my province in the last two months. About 400.00 for using a cellphone while driving. I kind of approve of the act but not the dollar amount. Also about 375.00 for smoking in a car with a minor present Again I think a hundred dollar fine would be just about as effective as well. Three thousand five hundred for having a radar detector really blew me away .

My own concerns revolve around regulatory compliance scams by planning authorities. They drive costs through the roof. Their approach seems to be more fingers in your pie all the time. They also want to have the power with no liability. So they involve the free enterprise component into the equation. .

It makes sense in an abstract way as they have the power but not the brains to apply it yet they must protect and expand their jobs and functions. Their hands only in your pie was more than enough before in my opinion.

Then there are the over valued property taxes. Includes being charged fees for services that do not even exist yet. They can get away with it by implementing province wide acts. Someone somewhere might be getting those services. I just never personally met or heard of them.

Latest is a universal sewage fee. This applies even to bare land. Found this out this week as all my tax bills arrived. Yet I feel this is still just the tip of an iceburg. They slide it in by making the first year very low in cost. Then when you get conditioned to it through the roof it goes. By that time you are distracted by something else. If not they will do something that does distract you. A real justification for not going where the crowds are. They are treated like large flocks of sheep.

I have not directly mentioned politics as that seems to be a bottomless pit. The really old line of what is the difference between a used car salesman and a politician? He stops wearing two tone shoes.

Fair comparison in my opinion and as true years ago as today. Not what you wanted to hear perhaps. The truth in my opinion is not very palatable just what it seems to be again in my opinion. I can think of nothing that will mitigate the trends either.

I really upset my mother years ago when I told her I might be going to enter politics. She had the impression I was going to stay with my respectable job of playing piano in a cathouse.

As for your problem how about having small neat stickers made up. Heat resisting glass or whatever. Have to look factory though.

As my dad used to say it is usually very hard or counter productive to beat the system. On reflection as an old guy he was very smart in my opinion. I think if the room is still there it is shrinking rapidly. The same type of thing as his expression you cannot change a persons basic nature. Knowing and understanding this type of thing well has enabled me to prosper beyond my abilities even. If you also fixate on an injustice it only damages you it seems. Been there done that myself. I have gone on and on as this subject is in an important area that impacts most if not all of us to some degree or another.

Brian Carlton · #49 05-31-2008, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by barry123400

Their has always been injustice. It is either increasing with more refined retoric or my age makes it more noticeable. You can twist anything to justify it if you work on it. You kind of have to go with the flow.
The system is set up that allow it to have sophisticated regulatory penalties. Or endless red tape that you cannot seem to overcome. It is that way on purpose or design if you wish. It is not a kind society.

As has been implied try to just grin and bear it. Governments empower themselves in this fashion. Ethics no longer matter. The court system is there but generally too punative financially so you pay. Civil court actions are not for the average guy and there is no way to tell how it will go in advance either. The courts are funny places as well. Everyone swears to tell the truth yet the better liar seems to prevail. So it too is just part of the game. Allow I might just be a cynic.

The last running battle I had with them cost me a lot. Believe me 25.00 is a small injustice by my standards. Look on the bright side as well. There are larger ones out there waiting for you.

I deal with them several times a year. I think the average person just does not comprehend the structure. Or has gotten smart enough to realise you can do basically nothing about it in the majority of cases. Throwing stones at windmills comes to mind.

Since there seems to be no overall solution to this trend. The best defence is to drive your income upward to enable them to be taken in stride easier .

That never repairs the head problem though. I still feel each and everyone of them when they occur. For example in my semi rural area they raised all the traffic code fines so high provincially or state wide in your case the police do not enforce them much if at all were I live.

Their greed became counter productive or resulted in very little change in the revenue flow in my type of rural area instead. In the medium to larger cities where everything is impersonal basically things are different. There the revenue flow has probably increased big time.
Since the poulation is very large there in comparison to mine. The trend is working well for them overall. It will intensify in my opinion with time.

The latest additions to the traffic code fine structure in my province in the last two months. About 400.00 for using a cellphone while driving. I kind of approve of the act but not the dollar amount. Also about 375.00 for smoking in a car with a minor present Again I think a hundred dollar fine would be just about as effective as well. Three thousand five hundred for having a radar detector really blew me away .

My own concerns revolve around regulatory compliance scams by planning authorities. They drive costs through the roof. Their justification seems to be more fingers in your pie all the time. They also want to have the power with no liability. So they involve the free enterprise component into the equation. .

It makes sense in an abstract way as they have the power but not the brains to apply it yet they must protect and expand their jobs and functions. Their hand only in the pie was more than enough before in my opinion.

Then there are the over valued property taxes. Includes being charged fees for services that do not even exist yet. They can get away with it by implementing province wide acts. Someone somewhere might be getting those services. I just never met or heard of them.

Latest is a universal sewage fee. This applies even to bare land. Found this out this week as all my tax bills arrived. Yet I feel this is still just the tip of an iceburg. They slide it in by making the first year very low in cost. Then when you get conditioned to it through the roof it goes. By that time you are distracted by something else. If not they will do something that does distract you. A real justification for not going where the crowds are. They are treated like large flocks of sheep.

I have not directly mentioned politics as that seems to be a bottomless pit. The really old line of what is the difference between a used car salesman and a politician? He stops wearing two tone shoes.

Fair comparison in my opinion and as true years ago as today. Not what you wanted to hear perhaps. The truth in my opinion is not very palatable just what it seems to be again in my opinion. I can think of nothing that will mitigate the trends either.

I really upset my mother years ago when I told her I might be going to enter politics. She had the impression I was going to stay with my respectable job of playing piano in a cathouse.

As for your problem how about having small neat stickers made up. Heat resisting glass or whatever. Have to look factory though.

As my dad used to say it is very hard or counter productive to beat the system. On reflection he was very smart in my opinion. I think if the room is still there it is shrinking rapidly. The same type of thing as his expression you cannot change a persons basic nature. Knowing and understanding this type of thing well has enabled me to prosper beyond my abilities even. If you also fixate on an injustice it only damages you it seems. I have gone on and on as this subject is in an important area that impacts all of us to some degree or another. Again just my opinions.

Well said.

I agree.

DieselClack · #50 05-31-2008, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by cphilip

Socialist big brother cities... dang them. I guess moving is not an option for you guys? There is some America still out there if you are willing to find it and fight to keep it that way. Unfortunately its constantly under attack by people who misunderstand the Constitution and the principles we were founded on. They think Government should do everything for you. And then what do they do? Well... they simply get out of control. Our clever founders saw this coming and gave us the tools to prevent it. But... too many have forgotten what it means. Easier to let someone else do it... then, of course, they do it to you how they want too. You have lost your say so and means to fight it too. You sat there and let it get away from you.

Rant over....

Very good point and well said! I agree completely. I can also agree that anybody who would vote for Obama should expect more of the same as you see here.

You will only lose more of your say and the means to fight it too! Go forward with the civil suit and make up whatever damamges you can. You might even want to try the Obama camp as a political move and attention to your problem if your eloquent enough to point out that your the little guy he's defending!

babymog · #51 05-31-2008, 10:36 AM

You will notice that the bulk of politicians (Senate, Congress, ... Judicial and Executive) is and will always be, lawyers (whether successful or not).

blackestate · #52 05-31-2008, 02:09 PM

pay the $25 and tint the rest of the windows so they can not tell if it is tinted or not on the front.

Kevin Johnson · #53 06-03-2008, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Bstef

Well, I've just received notification that my only option now
is a civil suit against the city.

I contested by mail by sending a photograph.
After not hearing from them, I went in person
to one of the cities offices. They told me they
had received the photo but my file was labeled
"photograph too dark to scan".

When I asked for a court date to contest, I was told I would have to wait
for a response by mail, which would come by May 30, and at that time
I could resubmit a photo or schedule a hearing.

It came today, it says "It is the finding of the Administrative Law Officer
that the information submitted supports a determination that the violation occurred."

Says to pay them $25 or it doubles in 21 days.
Says only option I have is to file a civil lawsuit against the city, within 35 days,
by "paying the appropriate state mandated filing fee"

I have been searching the net and haven't yet found any info on that fee.
Anyone have an idea?

You might find a lawyer and discuss whether filing a class action lawsuit is possible. I mean, why waste that filing fee. I suspect most Mercedes Benz' imported into the USA after a certain date have the "green heat-insulating glass" that ForcedInduction mentioned and which came up on my VIN decode too. Maybe you could surreptitiously write down and scan the VIN number codes for a few city Aldermen with Mercedes. [I grew up in Cook County.]

Of course, they might then put a transmitter on your car and have an ongoing contest to see who could cause you the most grief.

Another route that happened when I lived in California is the "turn in your neighbor" scenario. One local got capriciously ticketed for parking his RV in his driveway or sidelot. He then went around the city and turned in a list of hundreds of other violaters that he demanded also be ticketed. Caused quite a riot.

DieselClack · #54 06-03-2008, 10:13 AM

I would also see if there is a lawyer referral service or legal aid society that lawyers are required to participate in that would tell you how to file a lawsuit against the city and county! By the way, seriously man, thanks for pointing out where we should not go on vacation, support with tourist dollars or move to, really!

It's the frog in the boiling water syndrome. Put a frog in boiling water and he jumps right out, but heat the water slowly and he'll cook to death! Same thing with how we are ever so slowly losing our rights in this country.

God help us save this Republic!

compu_85 · #55 06-03-2008, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin Johnson

I suspect most Mercedes Benz' imported into the USA after a certain date have the "green heat-insulating glass"

You mean most cars in general. Both of my Jettas (91 and 99) have the light green tint glass, dad's Passat does, and I think my sister's Pontiac and mom's Caravan do to.

-Jason

WD8CDH · #56 06-03-2008, 04:31 PM

I don't think that it matters what amount of tinting is in the factory windshield or front side windows. If the car is not gray market and no additional tint was added, it meets IL law. IL law allows tinting rear and rear side windows and the top 6" of the windshield. Unless there is something very unusual about IL, you should be able to initially fight the ticket without filing fees. You should only have to pay court fees on your first chance of pleaing not guilty unless you lose or request a jury trial.

http://www.cookcountycourt.org/traffic_court/traffic_ticket/mail.html

http://www.cookcountycourt.org/traffic_court/your_rights.html#4