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Old 05-01-2008, 10:10 PM
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New injector nozzles - pop test cost?

I'm looking to replace the nozzles on my '78 300D (280,000+ and I don't think they have ever been replaced). Hopefully, it will improve my mileage some, decrease some of the smoke I get occasionally on start-up, etc. I am considering the Monark nozzles many of you have written about on this site. I don't have a pop tester, so I went looking around Oklahoma City today for a shop that could test them for me. I got a price quote of around $20 per injector - sound reasonable? I don't even know what to ask them to make sure they know what they're doing...? Do I have to pop test new nozzles?

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Old 05-01-2008, 10:21 PM
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Old 05-01-2008, 10:28 PM
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Is that the price only to test them or the pric to rebuild them with your new nozzles?
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Rebuild them with the new nozzles - I think. He just wanted to know if i was going to supply the nozzles - but he could have heard me say that I would bring them in already rebuilt with the new nozzles.

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Rebuild them with the new nozzles - I think. He just wanted to know if i was going to supply the nozzles - but he could have heard me say that I would bring them in already rebuilt with the new nozzles.
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Call them on the phone and ask them again. I think $20 for eachinjector is OK if they rebuild them with your nozzles. It takes 15-30 minuets per each nozzle to clean, lap the precision surfaces and re-set the opening pressures (Pop-Test). If you figure a labor rate of around $50 per hour that $20 each is not far off from that.
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Old 05-02-2008, 08:29 AM
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I agree that $20 per injector to rebuild them with your supplied nozzles and set pop pressures is more than fair. Just make sure you tell them you want them matched to spec (within about 100 PSI is usually the spec most shoot for). If they don't set the pop pressures and match them then you could do the rebuild yourself and save $80.

Just to pop test them alone many shops do for free or a very nominal charge.

I'm not sure how crucial matching the pressures is, but it is a "best practice" to do so and as long as you are going to the trouble of replacing them you might as well do the best job you can.
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Old 05-02-2008, 08:42 AM
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Matching the pop pressures is very crucial.

"The difference between any two injection nozzles within one engine must not exceed 5 bar positive."

http://www.pauldrayton.com/uploadfiles/merc/Service/W123/Index/617T/07MechElec.html

Build your own pop tester:
anyone know how to use a diesel pop tester?

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Old 05-02-2008, 09:07 AM
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Pop and balance is crucial

A set of injectors NOT operating at the same pressures have a different injection timing for each cylinder. (Lower pressure = earlier injection, higher = later) When they are off it causes, among other problems, torsional vibration in the crankshaft. Then you suffer rougher running, less economy, power loss and worse emissions as well.

To pop and balance, H.A.I. charges $12.00 per injector regardless of set size. Also, don't forget to use new heat shield washers regardless of where you get them.

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