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Old 05-18-2008, 11:34 AM
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Okay, I figured it out!!

FSM - Factory Service Manual

I am trying to find it online but I am curious if anyone has a recommendation (they are not cheap!)?

Does anyone know if the Service Info # posted by MB Doc would be on this?

Is the download compatible with a Mac?

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Old 05-18-2008, 11:51 AM
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I dont believe that doc is in the FSM, otherwise it would have been posted as a few of the members who have posted also have FSM.

You should ask MBUSA, or your NJ or CA dealer to provide it.
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Old 05-18-2008, 11:52 AM
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Here a link that has the German version of the bulletin. It is for the 722. and 722.9. It doesn't specify any specific model just not the 4-Matic. Take it to the dealer and tell them to read it! It is from March 24, 2005 and it is WIS-Update 03.05 if that helps.

http://www.motor-talk.de/forum/oelwechsel-automatikgetriebe-t866242.html

spreuken sie duetsch?
Here's the "translation" - I used an online translator, however now I need a "mechanic" to "person who knows nothing about cars" translation, help!:

Circulars No. PW 44/05 No. NFZ 20/05
24/03/2005
To all Mercedes-Benz partners

Introduction of the gear oil change with automatic gears 722.6 and 722.9, as well as with the distributor gear of the 4MATIC types 203/211/220 unique with 60,000 kms.


Dear Sir or Madam

An essential criterion for the customer contentment with automatic gears is the switch quality. This not only in the newer state of the gear, but consistently about the whole Lifecycle.

After the introduction of the optimized lamella parcel in the converter bridging structure coupling (rise of the groove number on 72 in 02/2004) to the long time stabilization of the switch quality, as well as the rearrangement of the NAG1 to the oil used with the NAG2, the oil change shows an other step for the switch quality-optimization to hold the switch quality also with high run achievements at a high level.

By the unique oil change are removed in the oil stored particle, entry mainly in the first 40 ' 000 kms. takes place and interferences of the comfort of the switch quality can have, which is why more unique (and not turnusmäßiger) oil change was fixed.

The anew developed gear oil ATF3353 (AO019894503) performs an additional contribution moreover that we fill automatic gear 722.9, with these automatic gears from house since standard approach.
In the distributor gear of the 4MATIC types 203/211/220 the oil 001 989 2303 is used with the change to hold the comfort own shades of the 4MATIC system likewise on high level.

It is divergently from this from introduction with the gear 722.8 (Autotronic, type 169) everything 60,000 kms a gear oil change with him for it especially to developed oil RILE ATF To carry out 28 (AOO19894603).

For vehicles with ASSYST the service position was already taken up in the servicing circumference. We will extend the service sheets by the note from FIN XXXXXXXXX, from WIS update 03.05 the corrected service sheets are evident.

For vehicles with plus ASSYST the service position automatically becomes to the service sheet
added by the servicing calculator. The change necessary in addition of the records is first
from record release 09.2005 possibly.
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Old 05-18-2008, 11:53 AM
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I do not see that document in the FSM. Now, if you want to rebuild your 722.6 transmission, all of the information for that is there. Unfortunately, it does not cover the 722.4 transmission in my car.
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Old 05-18-2008, 11:55 AM
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I dont believe that doc is in the FSM, otherwise it would have been posted as a few of the members who have posted also have FSM.

You should ask MBUSA, or your NJ or CA dealer to provide it.
Terry,

I called the NJ dealer and they have "no idea" what it is I am talking about...


Although I never referred to it as a "Workshop Information System" number, since I didn't have the definition of that acronym at the time.

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MB has more acronyms than the military does....

Ask for the person with the same title as MBDOC (MB technical information Specialist)
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Old 05-18-2008, 12:40 PM
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In Park if you switch from W to S the car will shake a bit.
No it won't. It's in park, not gear. It won't do anything.

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There was a forum member who drove his vehicle in 2nd gear. He had constant transmission problems, and even had his transmission rebuilt at 100k miles. These transmissions do not take well to situations where they are stressed. Starting in second gear DOES put more stress on the transmission and Engine.
Quite correct, however this is little different to living in an area with lots of hills.

By the way at 205,000 miles mine has had more than it's fair share of grand prix starts. The fluid didn't get changed until 165,000 miles. Its still going strong.
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Old 05-18-2008, 12:51 PM
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What does not make sense to me is that it refers to 722.6 but NOT to 210 - any insight?

From BenzWorld forums:

This info is from 18.02.2005 version of MB WIS which I believed will shed light on Trans Service for 722.6 and 722.9.

MB WIS
Service Information: Automatic Transmission Fluid Change
SI00.20-P-0022A
ATF in A/T 722.6/9 IS TO BE CHANGED ONCE AFTER 60,000KM

TRANSMISSION 722.6 TRANSMISSION 722.9
INSTALLED IN INSTALLED IN
MODEL 171 MODEL 171
199 211
211 219
219 203
240 209
203 215
209 230
215
220
230

MODELS 203,211,220 WITH 4MATIC ALSO REQUIRE THE OIL IN THEIR TRANSFER CASES TO BE CHANGED

Last edited by christyb; 05-18-2008 at 12:54 PM. Reason: forgot something
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Typo of person typing data.

Left column W211 should be W210.

W211's came after W210 and they never got the 722.6 trans,
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Typo of person typing data.

Left column W211 should be W210.

W211's came after W210 and they never got the 722.6 trans,
Okay, so it should look like this:

MB WIS
Service Information: Automatic Transmission Fluid Change
SI00.20-P-0022A
ATF in A/T 722.6/9 IS TO BE CHANGED ONCE AFTER 60,000KM

TRANSMISSION 722.6 TRANSMISSION 722.9
INSTALLED IN INSTALLED IN
MODEL 171 MODEL 171
199 211
210 219
219 203
240 209
203 215
209 230
215
220
230

MODELS 203,211,220 WITH 4MATIC ALSO REQUIRE THE OIL IN THEIR TRANSFER CASES
TO BE CHANGED
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http://www.eurocarphone.com/

Its a bluetooth module that allows you to pair your phone to your head unit, steering wheel controls. etc. It works like a factory integrated phone.
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No it won't. It's in park, not gear. It won't do anything.

When I have my car in park and its idiling and I switch from S to W i noticed the car shakes a bit. This is due to the increased torque reduction that the transmission is absorbing. The sprag clutch is still moving the other way and "freewheeling", the additional amount of torque being absorbed definitely can be felt. Even though you are idiling second gear is still hooked up and it takes more effort to spin in 2nd than in 1st.
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When I have my car in park and its idiling and I switch from S to W i noticed the car shakes a bit. This is due to the increased torque reduction that the transmission is absorbing. The sprag clutch is still moving the other way and "freewheeling", the additional amount of torque being absorbed definitely can be felt. Even though you are idiling second gear is still hooked up and it takes more effort to spin in 2nd than in 1st.
I've not noticed this when playing with mine.

Wondering if your chip interferes with its operation somehow? Some chips do play with torque lockup.
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Old 05-18-2008, 01:56 PM
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I've not noticed this when playing with mine.

Wondering if your chip interferes with its operation somehow? Some chips do play with torque lockup.
Have you noticed the lockup torque convertor working on your car? I have driven 4 E300's and have not noticed that the torque convertor locks up. I think this is a huge design flaw as it stresses the transmission even further and needlessly heats the transmission fluid? What RPM's do you notice yours locking up at? At 80mph I have noticed my tc locking up but never at normal highway speeds.
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My car issue went on hold - sadly a friend and neighbor passed away unexpectedly...

I had my car taken in to the dealer yesterday. I just got a message:

Metal to Metal
Shavings Everywhere
It's like someone put a hand grenade inside
Need a "new rebuilt transmission"
$6,300

I am going to call back in a bit and get the codes and the I will contact MBNA with the WIS. Wish me luck!!

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Christy

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