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Old 06-13-2008, 09:42 AM
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They are now hyping that a Chevy Tahoe Hybrid gets more mpg that a Toyota Camry. Maybe in the city. They also said the Tahoe can go from Dallas to Austin on a single tank of fuel. Have they not figured out that the electric motor is not doing much at highway speeds?

My 2000 Altima can make the round trip from Dallas to Austin on a single tank. I still have not taken our TDI on a long trip like that.

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Old 06-13-2008, 10:14 AM
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Hybrids + Diesels, its a no brainer yet nobody will do it.
Agreed!
I think Peugeot is working on one; although we will never see it. I sure hope Honda will change their corporate thinking on that combination.
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Old 06-13-2008, 10:21 AM
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the chevy volt is supposed to be available in a diesel variety in 2010
and it's a REAL hybrid not a parallel hybrid... ya don'ts needs no gas/diesel if yoos don'ts drives very var... if yas do, then it'll do it.
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Old 06-13-2008, 10:21 AM
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Hybrids + Diesels, its a no brainer yet nobody will do it.
It's still not cost effective, you would have to pay a premium for both the diesel and hybrid. Diesels are already more efficient than gassers during off-peak operation so there will be less advantage to tacking on the hybrid gimmick. Fuel is still cheap and there wouldn't be enough market.
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Old 06-13-2008, 10:41 AM
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So I am a bit taken by some of the promotions for hybrids. Now tell me if I am way off track here, but they are promoting that they get 28mpg? Yes, some are higher, but I haven't seen any past the mid 30's. Yes, they are much much cleaner than diesels, possibly a little quicker too, but it seems to me that a car that shuts the gas engine off or even idles it and uses the battery bank should get much higher than 28 mpg. I get 32 with my 92 300D, and its paid for. Is it really worth the extra cost to get a hybrid in this stage of the game when their mpg really is no better?
Since you asked: you are off track. I'll let you decide how far off. See the attached spreadsheet for my wife's HCH II. It is in Word as .xls files are not allowed. Well that file is too large to attach too. PM me and I'll email you the spreadsheet. The mileage has been 45 mpg since we got the car on Sept.2, 2007.
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Old 06-13-2008, 10:44 AM
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It's still not cost effective, you would have to pay a premium for both the diesel and hybrid. Diesels are already more efficient than gassers during off-peak operation so there will be less advantage to tacking on the hybrid gimmick. Fuel is still cheap and there wouldn't be enough market.
That is what Honda says; although I haven't heard them use the word (gimmick). We just need the price of fuel to be more expensive. I would love to drive a gimmick that could give me 45 mpg city and 55 mpg or better highway.
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Old 06-13-2008, 10:51 AM
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That is what Honda says. We just need the price of fuel to be more expensive.
Yup, I'm sure there is a price point where they will become marketable. Personally, I will stay away from hybrids (gas or diesel) because I don't like the added complexity.

Edit: Gimmick is my word. I think hybrids are a transitional technology at best, and fuel is still very cheap. If I cared about the cost of fuel, I wouldn't be driving a 25 year old 4000 pound car. I would be more likely to buy a TDI than a hybrid (actually, that's the kind of thing I might buy for my daughter, I'll just pay for the fuel).
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Back when I owned a hybrid, it would turn the engine off at stop lights and turn it back on in the interval between taking your foot off the brake and hitting the gas.

Diesel takes longer to start...so this might not work so well. Glow plugs and all.
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Old 06-13-2008, 10:56 AM
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Yup, I'm sure there is a price point where they will become marketable. Personally, I will stay away from hybrids (gas or diesel) because I don't like the added complexity.
Agreed again, they are definitely not DIY friendly. I am going to add a block heater to ours though.
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A hybrid diesel will be a novelty to the green movement, but in reality, a Peugeot Diesel made it across Australia in recent tests getting 69MPG!

I would rather see more of this! An Electric car is possible for city dwellers, but currently the Tesla, Currently the poster child for those who think CO2 is a pollutant, costs $110,000.00 and only goes for 220 miles maximum before needing a complete recharge!

I agree with Jeremy Clarkson on Top Gear, if you must do your part to save the environment and conserve fuel, get a VW Golf diesel! You will be miles ahead in a safer car with a reliable history at a modest cost that will not be out of date fuel econnomy wise in 5 years!

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Back when I owned a hybrid, it would turn the engine off at stop lights and turn it back on in the interval between taking your foot off the brake and hitting the gas.

Diesel takes longer to start...so this might not work so well. Glow plugs and all.
It probably wouldn't make sense to cycle the engine on a diesel hybrid for a short stop. A small diesel would use almost no fuel at idle anyway.

A couple of weeks ago, a co-worker rented a prius when we were both in NC for a week. I rode around in it a little and I don't think I could live with that car, especially the flakey controls. It does not feel like a mature technology yet, it still has that "gee-wiz, concept car" look and feel. If these things are around long enough, the technology should be transparent to the driver.
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Old 06-13-2008, 11:12 AM
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It probably wouldn't make sense to cycle the engine on a diesel hybrid for a short stop. A small diesel would use almost no fuel at idle anyway.

A couple of weeks ago, a co-worker rented a prius when we were both in NC for a week. I rode around in it a little and I don't think I could live with that car, especially the flakey controls. It does not feel like a mature technology yet, it still has that "gee-wiz, concept car" look and feel. If these things are around long enough, the technology should be transparent to the driver.
That was one of the reasons we bought the Honda over the Prius. I felt the same way about the Prius. I think Toyota uses that flakeyness to market the car. I suppose in 20 years we won't have keys to star our cars, but I still like to start mine that way. With the Prius, you just have to have the remote in the car with you to start it.
The other reason is the Toyota dealers are still charging a premium for the Prius. We bought the Honda at invoice and then got $2100 off our taxes. The third reason is the styling. The Prius looks like... well a Prius I guess. Our Honda hybrid looks like any other new Honda Civic.

I agree it is a transitional technology, but arent' we always transitioning from one fuel source to another? How many people heat their homes with coal now?
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Old 06-13-2008, 11:29 AM
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I'm guessing that a combination of fuel prices and battery technology will eventually get us to the point where many people have a plug-in electric as a second or third vehicle. If we had electrics with a range of a couple 100 miles, they would meet most peoples daily commuting needs. We would probably still own gas/diesel vehicles for longer trips. I think hybrids will disappear at that point.
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Old 06-13-2008, 12:07 PM
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I see plenty of old diesels chugging around.

One wonders if anyone will be prepared to replace the batteries on a 20 year old Prius.
as long as they are in stock, it should not be an issue. IIRC, currently a replacement pack has dropped to $1500 plus labor
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Old 06-13-2008, 12:08 PM
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The whole point of buying a Pius is so you can emit smug.

I like the Lexus SUV hybrid, gets like 28mpg, fast as can be and I know someone with like 120k miles on one without any problems.

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