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If it had a decent paper filter of sufficient size that was common I would buy one to replace my 85 Cali air box. I may just have to make my own
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Nice welding and fabrication. Is that an Injen/Amsoil filter?
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That Kali box is a great upgrade/alternative to the stock UFO air filter setup.
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We have been telling you the factory intake is already a cold air intake!
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but the original air box is a ridiculous design. First the air comes into the airbox than goes through the metal grating than through a 180 degree bend into the turbo!!! Since when has a 180 degree airflow direction change been a good thing? With the direct air intake kit that I have on my car, the car performs better. End of story... -jon p.s. I only made this stainless airbox to prove that the cold vs. hot air doesn't make any difference. |
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In addition, the capacity of the stock air intake is more than adequate for the amount of fuel that the engine delivers. There is no benefit to redesigning the intake from a performance or efficiency point of view. It probably won't do any harm if the filter element is adequate, just keep the original parts.
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So you are comparing a cold air intake to a cold air intake?
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He's also saying that he only built the enclosure for the cone filter in response to you (and others) insistance that his open element cone filter - which isn't a true cold air intake - couldn't be better than the stock cold air intake setup. How soon we forget...
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mmm... i think it looks cool (damn thats some good tig welding!) I like the enclosed design, adds some glam to the engine bay.
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I wasn't really thinking of location. I live in central pa. If I lived in western africa where I grew up where it is 130 f. in the "country" than maybe an airbox would matter. It would suck the cold 130 degree air from the atmostphere verses the 140 degree engine air. Thanks again everyone. -jon |
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Dumb questions alert...
Wouldn't the stainless box tranfser underhood heat to the incoming air? It is insulated in any way? For that matter the stock 616/617 setup must get nice and hot regardless of having the air come in from outside. The setup on the 603 is much better as it is a straight through design and is insulated (thick plastic Vs thin metal). Has anybody tried to adapt a setup from a 300SDL to a 300SD yet? I would be interested in seeing if the SDL airbox makes a difference on an older engine PLUS there are no bracket issues
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At least until you have to replace the filter
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When I replaced my turbo I didn't have the actuator hooked up to hold the waste gate closed for a couple weeks because I needed to fabricate a linkage. As a joke I used a couple rubber bands to hold it closed. To my surprise the rubber bands helped quite a bit. Even though the rubber bands couldn't hold the wastegate closed enough to budge the boost gauge needle off the zero psi mark, they did prevent a vacuum from being drawn in the intake manifold. The power difference was quite apparent and I could always tell when the rubber bands broke without looking at the boost gauge.
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I have actually studying that lately. I wasn't going to post about it until I had more definitive results, but since we are talking about it, I'll give you what I know so far. I have been doing all of this at 90-95* ambient temp, medium traffic on surface streets (red light to red light). I don't live in a city big enough to have to deal with gridlock, however I have been in it, and seen my car get SUCKED of power when it's hot and I am in the middle of traf****. Engine bay: about 5-8* warmer than ambient. After sitting at a few consecutive red lights, temp was up to 110-115*. Temp was back to 5-8* above ambient after about 25 seconds. Inside the u-turn: I start the car (when cold), and keep moving for about 15 mi before getting to traffic, doing this, the temp stays right at ambient. After a few red lights, temp soared to 125-130*. The temp was still raising, but I was out of traffic by this time, took a 12 mi drive on the freeway, and the temp only dropped to 109*. I have only been able to test inside the u-turn once, but I am still testing. I'll post more info when I get it. I am hypothesizing that the temp will raise much higher in the stock filter setup before leveling out. I didn't think originally that the tin airbox would be able to keep the cold intake worth keeping. I started working on this not to prove anybody wrong or to get better performance, but I wanted to get the best possible replacement for the stock box. My stock box vibrates and rattles on the side of the compartment, which pierced a hole in it. The u-turn also doesn't fit properly, I am sure it allows unfiltered air into the turbo.
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