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Old 06-26-2008, 05:01 PM
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-_- we could have saved him before he went to the dark side... Keeping the combustion chamber at the correct operating temp and doing an everyday italian tuneup will keep everything clean.
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Old 06-26-2008, 05:13 PM
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Myself and other asked what the Fisk Catalyst is supposed to do. I did some internet searches and the claim is increased power, decreased emissions and better fuel econmey (gas and diesel powered engines). The following is for information purposes only:
Fitch Fuel Catalyst
http://www.fitchfuelcatalyst.com/

Dose the Fitch Catalyst work
Comments from a forum:
http://askville.amazon.com/fitch-fuel-catalyst-work/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=4602986

“I was wondering if anyone has try this product and it works as advertised“.

“I personally had a bad experience with it. When I put Fitch fuel in my car it worked well at first, then later on the car began to run poorly“.

“I have seen articles about a so called Fitch Fuel Catalyst, a type of gas "optimizer, which has been approved by the EPA as reducing emissions and improving mileage and power. Its apparently made of metal pellets (held in a sack and put in the gas tank) that causes a electro-chemical type reaction w/ the gas, thereby causing the gas to burn more effic. Does anybody know what type of alloy material could do this?”

Diesel Power Mag comments and test.
http://www.dieselpowermag.com/tech/dodge/0711dp_fitch_fuel_catalyst/index.html
Part if the articles test phase:
“With the Fitch installed, it was time for us to get some fuel-economy numbers. Our first trip to the pump netted us 23.25 mpg, down from an earlier high of 24.10 mpg. Our mileage had actually dropped, so we looked for a culprit. Since our last test, we had installed a new transmission, but that couldn't be the cause, could it? We got to thinking and realized the billet converter and SFI flexplate we installed might have been just as heavy as the mechanical cooling fan we had taken off (which increased our fuel mileage by 3 mpg), so we unhooked the Fitch and ran our test loop again. Running without the catalyst under the same conditions (constant 70-mph freeway driving) netted us 22.10 mpg.
Once we got our variables out of the way and had some solid test results, we found that the thing actually worked. The people at Fitch also informed us that it may take a few tanks to see significant gains. As for us, we got a 1.15-mpg increase with the Fitch driving under very light load conditions. If you're looking for a way to increase your fuel mileage, you might want to check out the Fitch Fuel Catalyst. At about $300, it isn't a bad way to fight high fuel prices.
Old transmission(Fitch Fuel Catalyst not installed)24.10 mpg
New transmission(Fitch Fuel Catalyst not installed)22.10 mpg
New transmission(Fitch Fuel Catalyst installed)23.25 mpg”
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Old 06-26-2008, 05:23 PM
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Myself and other asked what the Fisk Catalyst is supposed to do. I did some internet searches and the claim is increased power, decreased emissions and better fuel econmey (gas and diesel powered engines). The following is for information purposes only:
Fitch Fuel Catalyst
http://www.fitchfuelcatalyst.com/

Dose the Fitch Catalyst work
Comments from a forum:
http://askville.amazon.com/fitch-fuel-catalyst-work/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=4602986

“I was wondering if anyone has try this product and it works as advertised“.

“I personally had a bad experience with it. When I put Fitch fuel in my car it worked well at first, then later on the car began to run poorly“.

“I have seen articles about a so called Fitch Fuel Catalyst, a type of gas "optimizer, which has been approved by the EPA as reducing emissions and improving mileage and power. Its apparently made of metal pellets (held in a sack and put in the gas tank) that causes a electro-chemical type reaction w/ the gas, thereby causing the gas to burn more effic. Does anybody know what type of alloy material could do this?”

Diesel Power Mag comments and test.
http://www.dieselpowermag.com/tech/dodge/0711dp_fitch_fuel_catalyst/index.html
Part if the articles test phase:
“With the Fitch installed, it was time for us to get some fuel-economy numbers. Our first trip to the pump netted us 23.25 mpg, down from an earlier high of 24.10 mpg. Our mileage had actually dropped, so we looked for a culprit. Since our last test, we had installed a new transmission, but that couldn't be the cause, could it? We got to thinking and realized the billet converter and SFI flexplate we installed might have been just as heavy as the mechanical cooling fan we had taken off (which increased our fuel mileage by 3 mpg), so we unhooked the Fitch and ran our test loop again. Running without the catalyst under the same conditions (constant 70-mph freeway driving) netted us 22.10 mpg.
Once we got our variables out of the way and had some solid test results, we found that the thing actually worked. The people at Fitch also informed us that it may take a few tanks to see significant gains. As for us, we got a 1.15-mpg increase with the Fitch driving under very light load conditions. If you're looking for a way to increase your fuel mileage, you might want to check out the Fitch Fuel Catalyst. At about $300, it isn't a bad way to fight high fuel prices.
Old transmission(Fitch Fuel Catalyst not installed)24.10 mpg
New transmission(Fitch Fuel Catalyst not installed)22.10 mpg
New transmission(Fitch Fuel Catalyst installed)23.25 mpg”
Driving habits dont buy a fitch catalyst.
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Old 06-26-2008, 10:41 PM
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“I have seen articles about a so called Fitch Fuel Catalyst, a type of gas "optimizer, which has been approved by the EPA as reducing emissions and improving mileage and power...
I don't see it listed on the EPA's official list http://www.epa.gov/otaq/consumer/reports.htm
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Old 06-27-2008, 01:38 AM
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Driving habits dont buy a fitch catalyst.
I do not plan to buy one. I just wanted to know what it was supposed do did a few others did to so I posted something. I never found a good answer as to how it was supposed to work either.
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Old 06-27-2008, 02:47 AM
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I do not plan to buy one. I just wanted to know what it was supposed do did a few others did to so I posted something. I never found a good answer as to how it was supposed to work either.
Do you know if there is a sticky on this subject yet? im pretty sure we all could conclude and agree that the "fuel master" and "fitch" fuel optimizers are all garbage.
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Old 06-27-2008, 02:50 AM
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I guess I will repeat whad Cervan said as it looks like they did a Class A job on the injectors. And, what does the fFtch Catalyst do?

Also, please get a magnifying glass and see if there is a central hole drilled down the center if the pintle (15) tip and pull one pintel out and see if there is a hole cross drilled across the pintel (14). On my set of injectors and another set that I pulled from another car those little holes were completely plugged. Please see pic.
The pintles do indeed have holes cross drilled in them. Super small holes that you really have to concentrate to see. In my case these EBAY injectors did not have plugged holes. I can easily see how they could become plugged.
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Old 06-27-2008, 03:00 AM
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Do you know if there is a sticky on this subject yet? im pretty sure we all could conclude and agree that the "fuel master" and "fitch" fuel optimizers are all garbage.

Hmmm guess you are calling the guys at Diesel Power magazine and myself a liar. In my case it works as advertised and would buy it again. If you haven't tried one then you have no basis for an opinion.
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Old 06-27-2008, 02:54 PM
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Hmmm guess you are calling the guys at Diesel Power magazine and myself a liar. In my case it works as advertised and would buy it again. If you haven't tried one then you have no basis for an opinion.
In my case I did not post to take any sides I just offered some sources of info.
For myself I would like to see a better test. Rather than a vehicle I would like to see the test done on lets say a Diesel Generator set. You can put an constant load on a generator that can be duplicatied in a before and after installation test and there is no air resistance, and road conditions to contend with and most of all no driver controling the pedal/accelerator.
As long as there is a constant load the Generator will run to match the load; constant.
A remote trank with the same measured quanity of fuel for each test; tested for the same amount of time and with some exhaust emissions test equipment hooked to the exhaust. I believe this would easily reveal the truth.
This is what I would do if I was selling the product.
What about having some one from Consumer Guide run the test?
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