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1999 turbo diesel swap into a 1987 W124 300TD ?
Has anyone transplanted the 1999 turbo diesel engine into a 1987 300TD ?
I really love the W124 wagons, but I'd like the MPG and power of the 1999 turbo-diesel . . . TIA, :-) neil |
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It's the same block casting so it can't be that difficult. I'd say no worse than an M104 in place of an M103. I think I know someone who did that
Someone on this forum dropped a 606 in place of the 603.97 in his 140. I'll check my archives and get you a name. Sixto 87 300D |
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You would have to use the mechanical pump from the 87 engine, the 606 computer would be a huge hurdle to get working correctly in a non-standard car. Another problem is the engine must have an intercooler so you would need to fabricate mounting for it.
Its very close to a 603 so installing it would not be difficult. |
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Didn't the 1987 TD already have an intercooler ? If not not, I know exactly where to place one. Anyone have that W140 606 swap link ? :-) neil |
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No IC on the 87's. I've thought about doing this myself
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Its certianly possible, you would just need the IP off the 603 and to make an intercooler.
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Besides that,
In my experience, the OM606 doesn't really achieve a noticeable difference in mpg from the OM603. They are the same. The later 210 has an overdrive gear with a lockup clutch and an aerocoeefficient of 0.29, that's where the economy comes from. Plus, since you will be using the OM603 pump, the power output will be the same as the earlier engine. Unless you tweak it. Which you can up to ~180 hp. In either case, you'll need an intercooler. But the OM606 requires it. The only reason I'd transplant one of those is if I was planning a project on the "Myna diesel-power" scale.
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Neil, you would have two very unique and nice w124 wagons after this. I think you should fully go for it.
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You might want to contact Joe Tripp:
http://mbca.cartama.net/showthread.php?t=26066 He's the one who put the 606.962 into a W140. Actually, he's apparently done it twice. Once using old technology and once using a later gasser chassis and trying to tie the electronics in. He's a nice and apparently very advanced tinkerer...I'm sure he'd be able to give you some tips that would save you some time and trouble. He's also got several engines just "laying around"
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Did the 98-99 E300 come with a 722.6? Did Joe swap in a 722.6 with the 606?
Sixto 87 300D |
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Yes, the '98 and '99 came with the 722.6. I know in the first swap he did that he used the tranny from the W140 and used a IP from a non-electronically controlled engine (probably a 603 IIRC). But, I think in the last swap he did he did tranny and all...you have to ask him about that one because I didn't get all the details from him about it.
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I forget the thread, I remember he was talking to Sixto about it. Its a pretty quick car, faster than one would expect.
The 606 is a fantastic engine, that 4 valve head seems to work really well.
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Neil, as others have mentioned, yes it can be done... you'll need to fabricate throttle linkage for the mechanical 603 pump, and an air-to-air front-mount intercooler will NOT fit under the stock front bumper. There's room for a small side-mount IC in the right pocket, but it would be only adequate for stock power levels (<200hp). The 603 IP will need some custom modifications with larger pump elements if you want more than ~175hp. I wouldn't even think about trying to make the 722.6 tranny work, just use the 722.3 tranny you have in the car now. I've got photos of various intercooler setups on my website in the 'SuperTurbo' directory, including some pics of the W140 with the 606 swap (note that the guy who did that swap did NOT modify the IP, or even increase fueling on it... he wasn't interested in power, just reliability.)
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