^^ Did you add any other conversion elements to your car?? Very interesting results... glad to hear some actual reports. Sorry that it did not work for you so well.

The heated fuel lines (vegtherm) runs on a relay that I can unplug if I need to run on diesel. I am not sure how the FPHE will run, but I anticipate it running on a similar relay that could be unplugged if the weather called for a switch back to diesel.

Thanks again for your input.

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1985 300D Turbo Diesel
(converted 7/20/08 single tank, vegmax, vegtherm, 100% WVO summer blend, running beautifully and cheaply)
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"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Gandhi

The only other modification to the car was a 1/2 inch aluminum pipe running to the lift pump from the tank. This was to reduce the stress that a SVO conversion usually puts on the lift pump. I assume that the "Vegmax" is a heat exchanger with a filter. If so, then the petro diesel will reach an undesirable temperature.

Otto
'79 240D 4spd

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And I take it that your compression has increased ?

Every running diesel engine suffers wear.


RichC

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And you admit to having no experience with running veggie ?
Just in building a conversion ?



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I have yet to see anyone do anything actually new or inventive. Pouring different mixtures of oil in the tank has been done for decades by thousands of people, bolting in a a conversion is not difficult and many people's "research" isn't really reliable since the "testing" is only being done with one old vehicle in an uncontrolled environment and very poor, if any, documentation.

Incorrect. We are not nay sayers "because they dont think the same way" its because we can see how ridiculous the VO fad is and how harmful it is to the community.

Thats because the burn characteristics of the VO are masking your engine problems, not solving them.

I only post CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. Take off your bias blinders and you will see that.

But he followed a scientific method, documented it well and performed experiments in closed, controlled conditions. He didn't just throw a bunch of stuff into a pickle jar in his backyard and apply electricity to it.

Lots of things "work" but many don't work well.

Call me when you get around 250-300k miles.

100% Incorrect. There have been MULTIPLE people that have posted their proof. Search the forum and you will find it, you simply don't WANT to see it is why you keep saying that.
Hey, lookie here- 300D 212km Plant Drive Veggie Oil 1 Tank Installed and Running GREAT!

No. Plain and simple, no. Nothing will silence me about exposing the BS this VO fad continues to produce.

Remember that next time you post your opinion/suggestions about something you have never personally done yourself.

you just linked us to ONE post that is already in this thread... thanks for the overwhelming evidence...

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1985 300D Turbo Diesel
(converted 7/20/08 single tank, vegmax, vegtherm, 100% WVO summer blend, running beautifully and cheaply)
http://www.plantdrive.com/
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Gandhi

Again, search please. It takes so little effort to do that so at least try.

Here are some quickie pictures from my archives. If you search the DD forum you will find the stories behind them.

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Pictures alone don't tell a story. I've pulled injectors that look a LOT worse than that from cars that have stictly run pump diesel.

The only injectors worth looking at are ones that were new/rebuilt when the conversion was done. Otherwise there's just no way to tell what's going on.

Speaking of which, I have to get my injectors rebuilt for this very reason

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Jake
1999 e300d PlantDrive WVO/SVO conversion
**note to self: oil changed at 268k kms**
1990 Toyota 4Runner FrankenDiesel swap

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We already know the story behind the coked up injector.

Remember we finally tracked the guy down and his story was....

The injectors had an unknown amount of miles on straight diesel,
maybe as many as 100,000 miles.

Then they were run on veggie for a few months.

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There is no evidence that veggie will destroy one of these engine.
None.
I have looked.
And I have been running it for years now.

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Please tell us any real experience you have with running veggie....
So far you have admitted you ran a few gallons once.
And that your brother thinks it destroys engines.

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If you do not have any experience you should not be spreading
your opinion as fact.

Back it up with some proof, or keep it to yourself.


RichC

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RichC, you cannot fully understand ForcedInduction's beliefs about vegetable oil until you can also understand that:

- There are people who think Dubya has been a great president.
- There are people who think that Ann Coulter is a great writer.
- There are people who think Dane Cook is "funny".
- There are people who think Keith Olbermann is witty and insightful.
- There are people who think Ford made the world's best cars throughout the 80's.

And the list goes on. Once you can comprehend that people believe these things, FI's vegoil beliefs can also be better comprehended.

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'82 Chevy Chevette diesel

Um, no, that IS evidence. See that "were run on veggie for a few months" thing, yeah, that means it was run on veggie when the injectors were coked. If that was from diesel it would be a much more sooty carbon than a glossy cake.

I already have, you (and many others) do not want to accept reality.

And people complain about me "derailing" threads.

RichC - You mentioned your expirience with using WVO as 5 years, or thereabouts I believe.

What kind of mileage does that reflect? 1K a year? 35K a year like I drive?

I would personally be more of a believer in SVO/WVO in heated/unheated/rug blended systems after ANYONE chimes in and acknowledge's having sucessfully used those fuels/systems for more than the typcial 15-25k miles that most proponents tout.

I've asked in other threads for ANYONE who has put 100k or 200k on their engine burning solely svo/wvo to come forward. The silence is defeaning. Show me the longevity.

100k and up, and MB only please........

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N. Calif. & Boca Chica, Panama

09' E320 Bluetec 77k (USA)
09' Hyundai Santa Fe Diesel 48k (S.A.)

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You have never ever, not once backed up anything you have said about
this topic with any kind of proof.

None at all.

You have nothing.
Absolutely positively noting at all.

Never have you shown anything.

Your comments are baseless.
They are not backed up by any information at all.

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Veggie has not harmed any of the OM617 engines I have run it in.
Nor the OM616.

And I have proof.
Its sitting in my driveway.


RichC
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That's a very good point, but the fact that no one has come forward with high miles on WVO does not mean they fail early, it may just mean that no one has done it. I inquired a year ago about anyone running a blend on a 606 and got no response, so I'm assuming I'm the only one.

I'm putting miles on as fast as I can. I drive about 30k per year. I discovered BD and blending in '06, so I only have 2 years of testing. I put 35k on my 83 without incident and decided to try a fresher look, and bought the 97. I've had the 97 eight months and put 19k on it without incident. Since I bought the 97, I've only put about 2k on the 83.

It's really more of a business decision than 'whether it destroys an engine' or not. Engines are just another part of a car. I have the skills to swap an engine if I "destroy" it for relatively small money. In two years of doing this, I've saved over $8000 in real dollars that would have been spent on fuel. That goes a long way toward a new engine or two. Also the word "destroy" is in quotes because it is too vague, If I damage injectors or IP beyond repair, I can replace them. If I score cylinders I can rebore or resleeve. If I warp a head I can replace it. It's only parts, there's nothing sacred about an engine.

I'm learning alot about alternative fuels and how they burn, and am providing feedback on only my firsthand experiences and not what I "heard".

I'm doing my part to reduce dependency on foreign oil, and only speaking to those who would listen. We can't vote our way out of this mess.

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Mark in MA
05 MB E320CDI 402k Granite Grey Metallic
05 MB E320CDI 267k Black
05 MB E320CDI 232k White
05 MB E320CDI 209k Tectite Grey
99 Dodge 2500 Cummins 5sp 148k
62 Jeep CJ-6 120k

Guy, for once, open your eyes. Seriously. I have not but many others have! People don't have to shoot themselves to know getting shot hurts.

As I said before, let us know when you get around 250-300k miles running on VO. Until then, in your own words, you have nothing.
Absolutely positively noting at all.

Never have you shown anything.

Your comments are baseless.
They are not backed up by any information at all.

Simple as that.

BioDiesel is not the same as vegetable oil. BD can be run for a very long time without issues.

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My experience is limited to a little over 4 years now.
The longest use of veggie has been in the wifes daily driver.
A 1982 300SD with a 1985 OM617 engine.
Somewhere around 24,000 miles now.

And in Old Blue, a normally aspirated 1980 300D OM617 engine.
With about 20,000 miles.

And the most recent addition to the family.
A 1982 200D with the OM616 engine.
With just a few thousand miles on veggie now.

And a 1994 Dodge Cummins 6BT engine.
With a few thousand miles on veggie.

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If you really want to find people who have over 100,000 miles on veggie
go check out biodiese.infopop.cc.
There are at least three that I know of.

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RichC

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