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Old 07-31-2008, 02:39 PM
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You are a moderator of a Mercedes forum.
Your accusing me of thinking that my engine is "magic" is not appropriate.

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You should understand that the Mercedes engine is different than almost
all other diesel engines made.



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Thanks for the confirmation.

The article provided more than enough evidence that all diesel engines will suffer from premature wear and coking if run long enough. Therefore, you'd need to own a magical engine to avoid this problem in the long run.

You might be able to run longer than the engines cited in the article.........it did refer primarily to DI engines.........but, eventually, the IDI engines also suffered from deterioration.

So, again, if you believe that your engine is magical and won't suffer any ill effects of WVO over whatever length mileage interval that you wish to run it.........then please do so.

We really don't need any further discussion on the subject. The data is there for you to use as you see fit.

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Old 07-31-2008, 04:17 PM
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Thanks for the confirmation.

The article provided more than enough evidence that all diesel engines will suffer from premature wear and coking if run long enough. Therefore, you'd need to own a magical engine to avoid this problem in the long run.

You might be able to run longer than the engines cited in the article.........it did refer primarily to DI engines.........but, eventually, the IDI engines also suffered from deterioration.

So, again, if you believe that your engine is magical and won't suffer any ill effects of WVO over whatever length mileage interval that you wish to run it.........then please do so.

We really don't need any further discussion on the subject. The data is there for you to use as you see fit.
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I will not argue with you further.

The research you pointed to is not valid for the Mercedes engine.

This forum is for discussion of Mercedes topics.

If you command that I no longer ask people for information about
veggie oil I have little use for this forum.

Is that your intent, to squash all discussion of veggie ?

You have locked most threads that discuss the topic, before the issue
can be resolved once and for all.

Is this your intentions with this thread ?



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You may not want to accept that more and more of these cars are
being run on veggie.
But it is a fact, and as fuel prices rise more people will be interested.
This forum as seen a more than gradual rise of members that are
interested in the alternative fuels topic.

I suggest a little more tolerance of this topic, as it will most likely become
one of the most talked about issues surrounding the Mercedes diesel.


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Old 07-31-2008, 04:23 PM
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I will not argue with you further.

The research you pointed to is not valid for the Mercedes engine.


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While you may wish to believe that the Mercedes engine is somehow immune to the vagaries of WVO, I do think that your position is unsubstantiated. Do a proper analysis of an engine by tearing it down after 100K on WVO and gather your own data.

You're quick to dismiss the vast amount of data from others with similar engines, yet you have no data of your own to support your position.

But, it's your engine...........you can believe whatever you want.

Anecdotal evidence that the engine "runs" on veggie is hardly confirmation that additional wear and/or coking is not occurring. The lack of supporting data does not, by any stretch of the imagination, allow one to conclude that no harm is being done to the engine over the long term.

You're free to continue the discussion as long as it's productive. However, demanding evidence from Lance on the deterioration of an M/B engine over time is not productive.
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Old 07-31-2008, 04:40 PM
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I am not quick to dismiss any information about these engines.

In fact I am trying my best to get anything that is out there.

If you have any real information about these engines having problems
running veggie please send it my way.

Give me one solid piece of evidence and I will be the first to thank you.

I read the research that you refereed to about two years ago.

I did not summarily dismiss it, in fact it is saved in one of my files here
at my office.

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As I have already mentioned. I am thinking of trying for grants that will
allow me to afford total tear downs and rebuilds of these engines.

But you cannot get these grants by just walking up and asking for them.
You have to prove your theory may be valid.
Part of proving that my theory is valid is finding any evidence that one
of these engines has been harmed by veggie.

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The ability for these engines to rack up 2.8 million miles makes them
pretty close to being "magic" in my book.

http://mercedesonly.blogspot.com/2007/06/46-million-kilometers-one-greek-taxi.html

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On a further note I am working toward building an algae farm to grow
my own veggie.
This will be a major investment for me.
And I would like to be as sure as possible that I am not going to fail.

I have already invested hundreds of hours of my time and
thousands of dollars of my money into running these cars on veggie.

Rest assured I am not simply here trying to disrupt this forum.

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Old 07-31-2008, 05:01 PM
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Since we are citing reports that test tractor engines on veggie oil, I think it is appropriate to note that the owners manual in my 12 valve dodge cummins states that alternative fuels can be used in the vehicle as long as the fuel meets ceratin specifications. It lists the range of viscocity of fuel the flash point sulfer content and more. I have already cited this information on one of these forums. Is this information "useful" enough for you? We have certain engine manufacturers that state tha certain fuels cannot be run in there engines, yet other manufacturers say that the same fuels can be run in there vehicles. We can believe what we want to believe, but I will take my owners manual as fact...at least for my dodge anyway......but I still blend oil in my mercedes. I have yet personaly experience any negative effects from blending. I also live in a hot climate....those tests were done in idaho.
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Old 07-31-2008, 05:44 PM
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I am not quick to dismiss any information about these engines.

In fact I am trying my best to get anything that is out there.

If you have any real information about these engines having problems
running veggie please send it my way.

Give me one solid piece of evidence and I will be the first to thank you.


Rest assured I am not simply here trying to disrupt this forum.

You've asked for the same information at least five times on this thread.

Others have volunteered relevant information.

You have summarily dismissed it because it was not related to a Mercedes Benz engine.

That's your right.

However, kindly stop asking for the same information again and again. If it was available, it would have already been provided to you. Make the conclusion that it is not available and that you need to do the research and provide the supporting data.

However, I suggest that you do not conclude that there will be no damage to your engine when run on WVO strictly because the relevant research has not been done on a Mercedes engine. This would be a foolish conclusion.
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Old 07-31-2008, 07:17 PM
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I will not argue with you further.

Excellent.

And, I trust that you incessant requests for information will also stop........as it is clearly not forthcoming in the very specific area that you desire.
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Old 08-12-2008, 01:58 PM
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update on the car:

1,000 miles at 20% Diesel 80% WVO
500 miles at 100% WVO

continues running beautifully... now to isolate all those pesky vac leaks so my AC can start running again and I can lock my doors.

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