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On my Volvo I took a 6 of the glow plug wires and hooked them to one big wire to the Starter type Relay. You might want to put a fues in your system if you decide to do it; mine has no fuse. Also the Volvo did not have a special connector with individual little sockets to each glow plug as in the Mercedes.
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Question from a newbie: Couldn't I just use a button that lets electricity flow to the plugs while held down? Is that a "momentary" button? Then I could just manually glow for 15 seconds when it's below freezing, 5 seconds when it's cool out and not at all in August. I guess I would need to know: *how many amps do the 4 plugs in my 616 engine draw? *I assume I need to put a fuse in this line if I'm going to bypass the MB relay altogether? If so, how far above the "normal" amperage do I make the fuse? *What's a good place to get a button-type switch that can handle this much current? [edit] I see from fastlane that my strip fuse is either 50 or 80 amps, depending on chassis number. That would be a complication since the normal automotive fuses I've seen in auto parts stores only go up to 25 amps. So not only do I need a switch that can handle 80 amps, but a way to add an inline fuse as well.
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That is the point of having a relay. With the relay you aren't sending the high current through the switch, just a very small current to pull the relay contacts in.
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I routed the wire back to the relay through the GP light in the cabin, not that the relay isn't loud enough so you can tell when the GPs are activated
Before I went to the new style GPs I didn't use a relay but with the new 80 amp GPs I went with the relay and changed the strip fuse from the 50 amp to the 80 amp.
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OK. So, any ideas where I could get a relay appropriate to what I'm trying to do (bypass the ignition-triggered glow relay in favor of a push-button)?
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Get a couple of fender mounted ford type starter relays...run half of the gp's through one and the rest through the other & you will have plenty of load carrying capacity....about 10 bucks each.....one relay would work..... but best not to max out any auto zone part....just a quick easy fix to get you going.....
The (parallel) gp's start drawing about 25-30 amps each and taper off quickly to around 10 to 15 depending on battery and wiring conditions..... I just put a big ole mombo concrete truck starter relay on my 300D....200A continuous duty....a bit more than needed but I like electrical component headroom......
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Yes, actually I rebuilt an 80 engine and swapped it in, which used the new style GPs.
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A starter easily pulls 3X the Amps that the Glow Plugs do.
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If you want to look at some pics of them do a search on Ebay. Some of them look different on the out side than the one in my pic.
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G'day all I am not a regular poster ,but thought i would tell of my experiences of bypassing the dreaded pre glow .I have owned my 1977 300D since 1990 ,and would you believe it is my only car now that I have retired ,what a risk taker!!!!
The PO traded this car( as I found out later) because the battery was often flat.This happened to me a couple of times,the last time when a couple of hundred miles from home ,it started ok but then indicator lights ,horn,radio would not work,so lifted the hood (as you do) and discovered smoking wires to the glow plugs, it did not take a genius to make out the problem,so disconnected the braided copper wire from the no 1 plug to the engine block and made it home .next day at work (battery electric forklift company) discussed problem with tec's and soon came up with remedy ,bypass the damned timer and substitute with solenoid and switch,however first solenoid used was off a CAV starter motor this lasted only a few days ,next put in a solenoid of a 12 V pallet lifter rated at 400amps ,this has lasted nearly 18 years and makes a mighty clonk when the contacts close .the only problem i have had is I only used a normal toggle switch ,and you can guess what has happened on numerous occasions,I have been too lazy to put in a push switch !! one day !! I forgot to say that when I priced a new timer all those years ago it was 600 dollars (Australian) Despite having the glow plugs left on,on numerous times for 10 or so minutes and once for 2 hours at shopping centre I have never replaced a glow plug My Wife has now got the habit of saying "is that switch off " It has been a great car I hope I never have to part with it ... cheers Hartley |
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So where do you put the flat fuse?? in line between the solenoid and the
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Depends on what type glow plugs you have ...the old series type or the newer parallel type ?.....parallel type each need individual wire for best operation(12 volts to each one)....series type have buss bars between them.... they are part of a resistive network....12 volts on the series plugs individually will burn them out.... It is always best to fuse any circuit as close to the voltage source (Battery) as possible.....no need to burn up the long cable feeding a remote fuse in case of a short...
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When I got over there Friday night I did just as I had discribed glowed it then cut the wire and it ran with out all the smoking. The cause of the problem was the #6 injector line broke at the IP AGAIN!!!! I just paid $100 for the used line and shipping and this one broke the 3rd time driving it, in the same place the other one did. So the relay was fuel soaked and the boy didn't notice that strong smell of diesel in the car or the rough running that I noticed when it broke on me. At any rate it is in the driveway waiting for parts again.
Here is a thought about the control wire for the ford style solenoid that might keep you out of trouble. I can't say I have thought this completely through but let me know what you think if you want to keep the relay on a timer and off a toggle switch. When I bought the car the woman that owned it told me how to start it "turn the key on and wait for the buzzer to go off then crank it up" Well that buzzer is for the seat belt and it buzzes about 30 seconds and goes off. It will also stay off if you have your seat belt on so would make a kind of fail safe for you guys that don't remember to turn it off. I am sure it would be easy enough to find the wire that triggers the buzzer and use that to trigger the relay with no problem. Just a thought let me know what you think. Dave |
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