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Old 08-22-2008, 07:36 AM
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is 14k too much to pay for mint '85 300td

a fellow MB enthusiast offered to me sell his beloved '85 300td with 70k. the car has all the good features roof cross bars, third seat, etc. i was not sure if there really is a higher market for the mint wagons. can anyone provide me with info? at a high price like this......is this normal to pay or just stupid?
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Old 08-22-2008, 08:24 AM
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My 2 cents.

Stupid.
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Old 08-22-2008, 08:32 AM
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Rising diesel prices have really knocked the pirces of these cars down in the past year.

Look at completed listings on ebay, and you will see that wagons that were selling for $5-7k a year ago are now selling for $2-4k
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Old 08-22-2008, 08:33 AM
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I'm approaching $7,000 on rebuilding my wagon and there's quite a bit more to go. I think if you really want a MINT wagon that has been completely restored, $10-$14k is around what you would spend to restore one anyway, depending on if it needs a paint job or not.

... and that would be with you doing all the labor.
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Old 08-22-2008, 09:36 AM
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depends....

Oh, yes, that word..........depends

If he has service records to back up the mileage, carfax proves it, etc, and car passes PPI and looks beautiful......i.e. --- Is it the color you want?

Everything works, etc. Is it the once in a lifetime kind of deal? Do you really want it? Does it have the seat headrests in the rear? 3rd row seat have shoulder belts? First Aid and tool kits? etc, etc.....the list goes one.

The more YESes you can write down, the more you should be willing to pay. Deduct $$$ for any No you write down.

SLS work? AC? radio? All original stuff? You see how this goes, right?
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Old 08-22-2008, 09:50 AM
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These cars simply aren't worth that much $$$$.
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Old 08-22-2008, 10:03 AM
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Oh, yes, that word..........depends

If he has service records to back up the mileage, carfax proves it, etc, and car passes PPI and looks beautiful......i.e. --- Is it the color you want?

Everything works, etc. Is it the once in a lifetime kind of deal? Do you really want it? Does it have the seat headrests in the rear? 3rd row seat have shoulder belts? First Aid and tool kits? etc, etc.....the list goes one.

The more YESes you can write down, the more you should be willing to pay. Deduct $$$ for any No you write down.

SLS work? AC? radio? All original stuff? You see how this goes, right?

I think the guy is really wildly optimistic, but this analysis applies and it is a good one.



If it is turnkey mint, has the options, color, and verified documented service history, the books and records to back it up and it has always been your dream to own one of them, and is truly original, unwrecked, unrestored and unrestored, I say why not.


If nothing rubber has perished, and the AC works, on it, then 70k is REAL low, and virtually like owning a new one and you totally love these wagons, then the price is worth it.

20 years from now if you are still driving it , then it was worth it.

My coupe was like that. It cost $84,500 when new, and I paid about half that at for it a Mercedes dealer for it when it was about 5 years old and I found it.

It had belonged to the man who owned the Beverly Hills Hotel, I met him later and he gave me the records he had for the car

But I still have the car 13+ years later, putting and after about $8,000 into it for reburbishing it and service within the last 10 months, it looks mint, it is perfect now, and people come up and try to buy it off me, and it will cruise effortlessly at 152 mph (which may or may not have happened, depending on who asked.


So the fact that I paid slightly under market price for it, (about $39,000 back in around 1996,) means *nothing* to me today. A loaded pickup truck or Suburban today would cost a lot more than that.
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Old 08-22-2008, 10:04 AM
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Not to me. I love mine, but not THAT much!
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Old 08-22-2008, 10:06 AM
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Not to me. I love mine, but not THAT much!
That puts it best.....
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Old 08-22-2008, 10:08 AM
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Oh, yes, that word..........depends

If he has service records to back up the mileage, carfax proves it, etc, and car passes PPI and looks beautiful......i.e. --- Is it the color you want?

Everything works, etc. Is it the once in a lifetime kind of deal? Do you really want it? Does it have the seat headrests in the rear? 3rd row seat have shoulder belts? First Aid and tool kits? etc, etc.....the list goes one.

The more YESes you can write down, the more you should be willing to pay. Deduct $$$ for any No you write down.

SLS work? AC? radio? All original stuff? You see how this goes, right?
I agree. If, after all this, it looks like a 2008 car with 70k miles on it, I'd be inclined to think it may be worth buying. I'm a big fan of the TD's and they aren't being made any more. If I found one like that near me, I'd consider selling my existing TD and investing in the new one.
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Old 08-22-2008, 10:11 AM
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I hate to get into a project whose costs just keep escalating every step of the way, but I guess we've all been there. It's hard to know when to fold sometimes, isn't it?
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Old 08-22-2008, 10:17 AM
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I agree. If, after all this, it looks like a 2008 car with 70k miles on it, I'd be inclined to think it may be worth buying. I'm a big fan of the TD's and they aren't being made any more. If I found one like that near me, I'd consider selling my existing TD and investing in the new one.

Not only are they not being made like that any more, they are simply NOT being made with that kind of quality, durability, meticulous attention to detail ("The Best, or Nothing" really meant exactly that in Mercedes cars back then) anymore.

No car is built like that now, and I doubt even Rolls Royce and Lexus are, and the best of those (Phantoms and LS400h) cost around $100,000 or more when new

Would bet you that one of these at C F
Mirbach, that dealer who sells the old mint Mercedes Benzes in Germany would have no trouble moving one like that for an equivalent price.

Plus you would get a car with a VERY good chance that it would last you another 500,000 miles.

Think about that.
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Old 08-22-2008, 10:18 AM
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I hate to get into a project whose costs just keep escalating every step of the way, but I guess we've all been there. It's hard to know when to fold sometimes, isn't it?
Are you taking about women or cars, Tom?
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Old 08-22-2008, 10:22 AM
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Well, I WAS talking about CARS, but now that you mention it, WOMEN could fit just as easily.
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Old 08-22-2008, 10:58 AM
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10-12.5 tops. Not that I would pay that much for a TD, but like the others said...

If he bought the wagon 10 years ago, that's about how much he paid for it.

This site may make your feel better about it. Look at their sold units. http://www.jgsmercedes.com/For_Sale.html

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