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Caesium 08-25-2008 03:30 PM

Engine Price?
 
Hi all,

Does $875 sounds like a lot for a 616 engine? its from a 82 240D with 188k miles They have done a compression test but didn't have the numbers handy when I called.

Also what should I do to it before I put it in, and do I need to balance the flywheel if it has a flex plate?

Any one remember who on here is selling a 240D in Arizona? I saw it in his sig the other night but forgot to note who it was....

Thanks,
Nathan.

TylerH860 08-25-2008 03:35 PM

Since they probably pulled it out of a sub $1,000 parts car, there may be some wiggle room. Not a completely unreasonable price, though, if its in good shape.


Here's Diesel Clack's ad for the 240D
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/mercedes-benz-cars-sale/231184-1982-240-d-rust-free-arizona-car.html

Caesium 08-25-2008 03:44 PM

Thanks for the ad, a bit out of my range though :( It's very nice.
They said they where asking $1,000 for it... (Mmm Hmm)
I was hoping for like $500 but I guess if its in good shape... there is one other place here but I've heard the guy is a little... 'fun' to work with...

Nathan

TylerH860 08-25-2008 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Caesium (Post 1947575)
Thanks for the ad, a bit out of my range though :( It's very nice.

That car is a bargain. Think of all the savings you'll have with so many mechanical issues already addressed. Anything cheaper than that, unless its a steal, you'll likely catch up in deferred maint./repairs in a hurry.

Caesium 08-25-2008 05:09 PM

It really is, just don't have the money right now. If I did I would probably buy it... Just wish it was a four speed

DieselClack 08-25-2008 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Caesium (Post 1947549)
Hi all,

Does $875 sounds like a lot for a 616 engine? its from a 82 240D with 188k miles They have done a compression test but didn't have the numbers handy when I called.

Also what should I do to it before I put it in, and do I need to balance the flywheel if it has a flex plate?

Any one remember who on here is selling a 240D in Arizona? I saw it in his sig the other night but forgot to note who it was....

Thanks,
Nathan.

The person selling the 1982 240D in Arizona is me! I'll send you a PM and if your interested, PM me back and We'll talk!

pawoSD 08-25-2008 09:44 PM

We got a 617 turbo with everything attached but a starter for $550 and only 161k on it. So....$875 does sound high for a 616....

asnowsquall 08-25-2008 10:11 PM

You see here is the problem. You are in AZ and have what we want in the North East which is clean solid rust free bodies (who cares about the drivetrain), and we have what you want which is cheap rusted out cars with good drivetrains. I say $500 tops, but I'm in rustville where people get rid of whole cars for $500 because they have rust and don't pass inspection.

DieselClack 08-25-2008 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by asnowsquall (Post 1947969)
You see here is the problem. You are in AZ and have what we want in the North East which is clean solid rust free bodies (who cares about the drivetrain), and we have what you want which is cheap rusted out cars with good drivetrains. I say $500 tops, but I'm in rustville where people get rid of whole cars for $500 because they have rust and don't pass inspection.

Funny thing is I often thought about trucking up a bunch of high demand bodies and coming back with a bunch of good low mileage engines and transmissions for sale back here!

asnowsquall 08-26-2008 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DieselClack (Post 1948024)
Funny thing is I often thought about trucking up a bunch of high demand bodies and coming back with a bunch of good low mileage engines and transmissions for sale back here!

Trade you a wagon for a wagon. :D

With the cost of fuel you wouldn't make any money. Then factor in the time... unless you just want to take a "vacation".

Caesium 08-27-2008 09:27 AM

I got them down to $700 but it has 198k on it and they wont do a compression test with out a deposit :(
I could get the whole car for like $1100 but it's in really bad shape it doesn't even have wheels!
(I don't think my boss would like a old junker on her trailer with no good way of getting it off.)

Calling 'All Mercedes' Later to see what they have.

Nathan.

Mark DiSilvestro 08-27-2008 10:07 AM

Try to find a Pick-N-Pull!

The Virginia Beach Pick-N-Pull had a wrecked but rust-free stick 240D last summer. They get $175 for engines. The 240D engine turned over OK so I was tempted but didn't have the time to pull it, or a way to get it home. Boo Hoo!

Happy Motoring, Mark

JimmyL 08-27-2008 10:14 AM

As long as you get your deposit back if the engine doesn't have good compression. And yall should agree beforehand what "good" compression numbers would be......;)
Pick N Pull engines are a real crapshoot. Might be a great deal, might be a worn out engine. Now you do get to exchange if it isn't good, but they have to have another one available and it has to be done within a certain amount of time usually.
And nobody has less customer service than a wrecking yard.....:freak:

winmutt 08-27-2008 11:01 AM

OK not having the compression numbers readily available makes this a nogo. They are probably upquoting you something from the hollander exchange. I would check car-part.com to see whats in the neighborhood and contact the seller directly.

Mark DiSilvestro 08-27-2008 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JimmyL (Post 1949155)
As long as you get your deposit back if the engine doesn't have good compression. And yall should agree beforehand what "good" compression numbers would be......;)
Pick N Pull engines are a real crapshoot. Might be a great deal, might be a worn out engine. Now you do get to exchange if it isn't good, but they have to have another one available and it has to be done within a certain amount of time usually.
And nobody has less customer service than a wrecking yard.....:freak:

I only suggested the Pick-N-Pull because their prices are so reasonable. That 240D appeared to have been still running up until the accident, and I might even have been able to arrange to try and start it. As for customer sevice, the Pick-N-Pull was nice enough to forklift that 240D from the crusher compound back into the customer yard when I went back next day for some more parts.
Here in the Washington DC area, most salvage yards are part of the Brandywine Group, and charge several hundred more than Pick-N-Pull for a used engine.

Happy Motoring, Mark

junqueyardjim 08-27-2008 07:18 PM

don'r forget to figure in the cost of transportation
 
Shipping an engine by common carrier is a difficult job. You have to have the engine well contained in a box or on a good pallet, then you have to get it too the trucking company, and it usually has to be picked up from the trucking company. All the way around, it is cumbersome, difficult and expensive. And it costs a lot to go and pick one up also. I got a heck of a deal through a forum member this summer for a 3.0 six cylinder gas. Had to go 700 plus miles one way to pick it up. Fuel, motel, toll and a couple hamburgers soon runs up past $700.00. So considering your time and costs, it is probably a better deal to buy an engine for $1000.00 in your area then to run 700 miles for a $400.00 deal.

JimmyL 08-27-2008 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark DiSilvestro (Post 1949508)
I only suggested the Pick-N-Pull because their prices are so reasonable. That 240D appeared to have been still running up until the accident, and I might even have been able to arrange to try and start it. As for customer sevice, the Pick-N-Pull was nice enough to forklift that 240D from the crusher compound back into the customer yard when I went back next day for some more parts.
Here in the Washington DC area, most salvage yards are part of the Brandywine Group, and charge several hundred more than Pick-N-Pull for a used engine.

Happy Motoring, Mark

Don't get me wrong, if China's engine ever fails I will more than likely go the PNP route, you simply have to know what your up against before the process starts. There is no better part for the price than PNP, and if you can hit a half price day even better.
But uh, not much in the way of customer service at all........[folks are usually polite, just don't deviate from the exact norm.]

Mark DiSilvestro 08-27-2008 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JimmyL (Post 1949679)
Don't get me wrong, if China's engine ever fails I will more than likely go the PNP route, you simply have to know what your up against before the process starts. There is no better part for the price than PNP, and if you can hit a half price day even better.
But uh, not much in the way of customer service at all........[folks are usually polite, just don't deviate from the exact norm.]

Late last summer was the first time in over 20 years that I visited what is now the Virginia Beach Pick-N-Pull. The place used to be the usual local hole-in-the-wall salvage-yard with an office-trailer. Now they have a large air-conditioned building/lobby with a streamlined entry and checkout setup. If I'd noticed on that trip that they had rolling-cranes availible to pull & move engines, I might have tried to get the engine, manual tranny and related hardware for possible transplant into my automatic 240D. But it was a very miserable, hot & sticky week, I didn't have a truck availible, and my brother would have a fit if he found major 240D parts stuffed in our parent's Virginia Beach garage. (I was able to hide some bulky but relatively light-weight W123 fenders and bumpers in the attic!)
My biggest gripe with Pick-N-Pull is the limited time a vehicle stays until it's crushed.
So far as customer service is concerned, many DC area salvage yards will pull parts for you, and have various popular items like taillights, AC compressors and engines already pulled and cataloged, but prices tend to be 3 or 4 times higher, and they never have half-price sales!

Happy Motoring, Mark

bgkast 08-27-2008 08:50 PM

I just called the PNP and they said it is $150/engine plus $50 core. There are a few engines that were in cars that were clearly committed to the yard due to crashes....maybe I should pick one up as a spare...

winmutt 08-27-2008 08:55 PM

Its on my list of things to get.

JimmyL 08-27-2008 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bgkast (Post 1949727)
There are a few engines that were in cars that were clearly committed to the yard due to crashes....maybe I should pick one up as a spare...

I would feel best about pulling an engine from a wrecked car! Had to be under power most likely when the crash occurred.
With my luck I'll pull the bad engine from somebody's parts car that was hit while it sat in front of their house......:P

daw_two 08-27-2008 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimmyL (Post 1949775)
I would feel best about pulling an engine from a wrecked car! Had to be under power most likely when the crash occurred.
With my luck I'll pull the bad engine from somebody's parts car that was hit while it sat in front of their house......:P

Or maybe after it rolled down a hill and ran into a garage door.....:D


Speaking of engines....there is an 82 300TD in the boneyard with about 188K on it.....if I recall the odometer correctly. Drive up in your truck and I'll help you pull it.:D

JimmyL 08-27-2008 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by daw_two (Post 1949780)
Or maybe after it rolled down a hill and ran into a garage door.....:D

That engine just purrs. :) Ironic that it wasn't running when it took it's most famous trip!

It won't be purring at all until I get some CV's.....:(:(

Caesium 08-28-2008 09:36 AM

I saw the car, the engine didn't look bad or anything the car looks like it was sitting in a bad part of town and got ransacked :)
The engine still had lots of oil, didn't see any thing weird under the valve cover...
I would just fell better if it didn't have 198k on it.
If it had wheels I would probably just take the whole car (spare trannie and such)

Caesium 08-28-2008 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by winmutt (Post 1949197)
OK not having the compression numbers readily available makes this a nogo. They are probably upquoting you something from the hollander exchange. I would check car-part.com to see whats in the neighborhood and contact the seller directly.

Wow, Thank you winmutt! I found what looks like a real nice one on car-parts.com I'll call later and see about it..

Does it mater if its came from a automatic vs. a manual?
Mines is a manual.

Nathan.

P. S.

I know I'll need to swap the flywheel and flex plate.

winmutt 08-28-2008 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caesium (Post 1950040)
Does it mater if its came from a automatic vs. a manual?

Nope. I just wouldn't buy anything from anyone that requires a down payment to confirm that it is operational.

Caesium 08-28-2008 02:07 PM

How much is one with 80k on it but no compression test worth? (I have to pay a $100 core) came out of a crash

bgkast 08-28-2008 02:10 PM

80K sounds suspiciously low to me...

Caesium 08-28-2008 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgkast (Post 1950264)
80K sounds suspiciously low to me...

It from a yard. I don't think its a hole in the wall type place
They say its 80k, came out of a crash, they don't do compression tests, they want $975 for it and theres a $100 core. It could have a transmission with it. I'm going to look at it later.

Two other things what the rules about PMing here? And how much dose a 616 wight any ways?

JimmyL 08-28-2008 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Caesium (Post 1950276)
It from a yard. I don't think its a hole in the wall type place
They say its 80k, came out of a crash, they don't do compression tests, they want $975 for it and theres a $100 core. It could have a transmission with it. I'm going to look at it later.

Two other things what the rules about PMing here? And how much dose a 616 wight any ways?

Waaaay too expensive!

Caesium 08-28-2008 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimmyL (Post 1950281)
Waaaay too expensive!

What price should I be trying for? I'm some what new to this whole haggling thing.

I would love to pay like 600+tax but I just don't know if you can get them for that much here. Things seem like they cost more in Arizona :(

bgkast 08-28-2008 02:42 PM

$500-$800 with compression #s, $300-$500 with out

Caesium 08-28-2008 09:50 PM

Well... I may just have made a fool of myself I went for the $975 one...
They wouldn't budge on the price thought (would not even toss in an oil guage :()
Things seem to cost more here...
I called some shops I have dealt with and they said the engines go for 1200-1500 around here.

Should I replace the Rear Main Seal?


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