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Old 08-26-2008, 02:37 PM
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this pictorial might help

here a write up I did - it might help....

Write up - Ball Joints & Lower Control Arm Bushings & Tool Review (PICS!)

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from this post dated to '02
"p/n lower control arm joint boot repair kit A116 586 04 33
upper A116 586 05 33

factory list is 9.25 & 7.00 respectively. Wholesale is 7.50 and 5.75.
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I was qouted aprox $23/ea @ my dealership this spring, same PN.

i ordered lemforder joints for $27/ea
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Old 08-26-2008, 08:34 PM
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This is how I removed the Lower Ball Joint from the LCA as the local Auto Zone had no Ball Joint Separator for rent. Also I did not remove the Upper Control Arm and left it hang on the Steering Knuckle.
Back the Lower Ball Joint nut out so that about 1/4 inch of threads are exposed (you are going to need a new self locking nut if you do it this way).

How I supported the LCA.


If is still will not come out wrap the Lower Ball Joint in at least 4 layers of Aluminum foil to prevent the heat from burning the Boot. Point the flame away from the Ball Joint and heat the arm in the area approximately where the Jack is touching in the picture. Let the heat conduct to the Ball Joint on its own and keep the flame away from the Ball Joint area.
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This is how I removed the Lower Ball Joint from the LCA as the local Auto Zone had no Ball Joint press for rent.
Just as well. A press would be an incredibly poor substitute for a separator.
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Old 08-26-2008, 08:58 PM
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Just as well. A press would be an incredibly poor substitute for a separator.
Bad choice of words I will correct it and change to separator.
By the way I did this today and the replacment LCA and other parts are back where they are supposed to be. Will finish up tomarrow.
I am waiting for my Caster/Camber Gauge to arrive and will attempt to align it myself.
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Old 08-27-2008, 02:02 AM
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123 Lower Ball Joint Replacement

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How I supported the LCA.

A proper picture's worth a 1000 words.

Although hoping for, I didn't think the UCA could come out that way. (while still hooked to the spindle)
Great shot......Thanks
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Old 08-27-2008, 09:26 AM
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Although hoping for, I didn't think the UCA could come out that way. (while still hooked to the spindle)
It will, but it's about three times easier to separate the guide joint.
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Old 08-27-2008, 11:19 AM
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It will, but it's about three times easier to separate the guide joint.
In my case when I removed the UCA from the Steering Knuckle previously the only rental available at the Local Autozone was a Tie Rod Separator. The Tie Rod Separator was too wide to work but I made a sort of U shaped plate to slide in with a slot in going down the middle.
Even with that plate I found it tore up the UCA Boot (and a Pickle Fork is guaranteed to tear the Boot).
If you notice in my pic the UCA is brand new and I had no interest in trying to separate it and damaging the boot so I left it on the Steering Knuckle.
In the future I hope I have better tools to do the job; but for now I try to use what I have available.
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Nice writeup. Lots of good material. Thanks for the link.

Please excuse my short responses. I have limited wireless where I'm at.
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For what it's worth, I agree complete with #12 above that the correct way to take apart a ball joint is by opposed hammers. Much quicker and less damage than with pickle forks.
The only comment I'd add is that you're using two hammers, one as a hammer, the other as a dolly. The dolly should be held firmly against the back side of the ball joint before you hammer the front. If you're doing it right, the dolly will "buck" away when the hammer strikes.
My advice is to use a dolly that weights twice as much as the hammer. More energy is contained in the part being hammered.
This system works based on the elasticity of the steel parts, and is really very elegant. If you have any doubts, try it on a wreck first.
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Old 08-27-2008, 09:10 PM
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There should be NO damage to the ball joint, if the knuckle is removed correctly.

Look at the attached picture.
Hold one hammer against the joint.
Hit the opposite side of the joint.
Repeat as needed.

It is extremely rare for me to use more than five HARD hammer strokes.


Ball Joint Nightmare - chapter 2
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/173149-ball-joint-nightmare-chapter-2-a.html#post1355788
Post #19 shows the correct impact point for separation.

Ball joint frustration
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/110553-ball-joint-frustration.html#post771672

Have a great day.
I think I will try this the next time I do the job!
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How I supported the LCA.

Does this mean you could change LCA bushings with this method? Seems like you have loosened the spring..
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Old 09-11-2008, 12:17 PM
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in that pic it looks like the spring is compressed up into the body.

so, no- you still need to compress the spring to do LCA bushings.
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I had a lower ball (support) joint replaced at a local indy shop, they did it without removing the spindle.
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Old 09-11-2008, 05:24 PM
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in that pic it looks like the spring is compressed up into the body.

so, no- you still need to compress the spring to do LCA bushings.
I was mainly showing how I removed the Lower Ball Joint from the LCA without a Seperator.
I do not see how someone can get buy without compressing the spring when removing the LCA.
Compressing the spring is a homemade Sprig Compressor; 1"-14 threaded rod and 2 plates with holes in the center, several 1" inch washers to act as spacers and 2 1"-14 nuts.
The 1" threaded rod may be thicker than is needed but I have another project I need the unused thread rod for.

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