I have a friend (hard to believe, but yes, I do) who purchased a 1959 MB 190D, what would be called a 190Db. It has the OM 621 engine in it. When it was delivered, the starter seemed loose and he discovered later that the starter was for a 1983 240D.

Well the seller is apparently attempting to get him a starter but my friend discovered that in a certain number of 190D cars, there's an offset in the Zwischenflange, the intermediate steel gasket between the starter motor proper and the engine. He finally obtained one of these and discovered that his starter uses a very particular nose part, with Bosch designation 46E5. The starter he has is designated 46E32.

We are now looking to see if a OM636 starter will fit this 190 because we're having so much trouble finding the starter with this particular nose. If you didn't know the OM636 is the diesel used on the 170 and most 180D diesels. A few 180s and all 190s that were diesels got the later engine, called OM 621, used in the 190D cars and the 200 D heckflossen of the 1960s.

What I need is for a starter aficianado OR someone with a lot of time on his hands OR someone who has the inside track to the Bosch data bank to identify if:

1. The 180D starter will fit on the 190Db with OM 621 motor
2. Which other starters used the nose marked 46E5 ? What are all applications?

The guy who sold him this car is apparently notorious for taking the money and running. He's new and found this out too late. My friend also found a guy with two of these starters and tried to call him, only to find that the original seller of the car is attempting to corner the market on these, to get a little more money out of him. Nice guy, huh?

So, guys and gals, dieseler and dieselettes, can anyone help answer these questions?

Thanks,
S

Hmmm, for that vintage you might get better information by calling the MBUSA Classic Center in Irvine, CA. 1-866-622-5277.

Also, there is a "Vintage" section on the main forum page you might try.

Just trying to point you to someone who might be able to answer your question.

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Sam

84 300SD 350K+ miles ( Blue Belle )

The EPC shows the OM 621 starter to fit those models only (no sharing with the 180D). The dealer or MB Classic Center would probably be your best bet. Maybe expensive, but it'll be the right part for certain. Part number is 000-151-86-01.

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