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Old 10-05-2008, 08:59 PM
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The only problem with the warranty is that it would be exceeded after approximately a year and a half because of the miles per year (33000). Warranty is for 4 years 50,000 unless I buy the extended which might not be a bad idea is this instance. I need to find out what I can get a late model e320CDI with the starmark warranty and exactly how much the dealers are charging for TDI jettas in the midwest. I'm a big fan of the 123, but my those E320CDI's are beautiful IMHO.

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Old 10-05-2008, 09:53 PM
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My last VW was so painful to own, I actually get angry when I hear people are considering buying one.

I wish I could let you drive my mother-in-law's '07 Golf TDi with only 22k kms. It is just shocking, how babdly that thing is coming apart. Rattles, squeaks, trim coming off, dash lights that don't work, intermittant heater. It's new thing is intermittant reverse (it's an automatic). Sure, it's under warrantee but it's been in 3 times for it and they still can't figure it out. Shocking. If I ran a toyota or honda dealership, I'd buy that 1 yr old golf and offer it out for test drives.
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Old 10-05-2008, 09:54 PM
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Saying a W123 isn't capable of 33,000 miles a year is like saying a unimog can't drive on grass. The W123 diesel can cover miles like no tomorrow. Better yet, get a 300SD or SDL in good condition. Who would ever throw away money on a new car?

Craig here on the forum has been putting like 40k+ a year on his W123 for years, his engine finally died at 442k or something. So if you found a good older MB diesel with 200k or less you can be certain will run a very long time indeed if you do the right maintenance. I've done 70k in my car over the past 5 years and its never let me down.
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Old 10-05-2008, 10:26 PM
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For the highway I'd get the TDI and gut the particulate filter.

That Prius would get really poor economy on the highway, its a city car.
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Old 10-05-2008, 11:12 PM
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The Mercedes is a real car, the VW is a junker. Hows that?

Driving a CDI 33k miles next year would be a pleasure, in a VW it would be a punishment.
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Old 10-05-2008, 11:15 PM
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Maybe this is wrong to suggest this on an MB forum, but how about a VW Phaeton? You can get low mileage ones for much less than $30k now. They would be great for long highway drives. They are more of a Bentley than a VW. Here's one for $24k in saint louis. I've seen many under $20k already. They are probably on the same level as MB's with repairs. They look like a bloated Passat, though. They do have a real-wood dash like MB's too, they were about 80k new and were built to the Chairman of VW's specs, for instance it can be driven all day at 190mph, with an exterior temp of 122 degrees, and have an interior temp of 72 degrees.

You can even get one with a w12 engine, which should be useful for I-44.





This one is 24k for 44k miles, you can get one for much less though. http://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/846868041.html
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2. Uber complicated with crappy VW dealer network.

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Only VW I would ever buy, but two problems:

1. No one can fix them.
2. Uber complicated with crappy VW dealer network.

Solution:
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Audi A8
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Audi A8 and VW Phaeton are the same cars.
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Only VW I would ever buy, but two problems:

1. No one can fix them.
2. Uber complicated with crappy VW dealer network.

Solution:
Jag XJ8
Audi A8
Mercedes S500
Lexus LS430
In my area: Two very competent VW dealers who sell and service many Phaetons. I see many phaetons driving around where I live, and it's probably because of those nearby dealers. But VW sucks in general except the Phaeton(think bentley and not VW)
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Old 10-05-2008, 11:40 PM
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Audi A8 and VW Phaeton are the same cars.
True, but with the Audi you get to go to a good dealer.
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If the VW is out of warranty anyway you could take it to the audi dealer just as easily. I'm sure they'd work on it.
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Old 10-05-2008, 11:49 PM
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Saying a W123 isn't capable of 33,000 miles a year is like saying a unimog can't drive on grass. The W123 diesel can cover miles like no tomorrow. Better yet, get a 300SD or SDL in good condition. Who would ever throw away money on a new car?

Craig here on the forum has been putting like 40k+ a year on his W123 for years, his engine finally died at 442k or something. So if you found a good older MB diesel with 200k or less you can be certain will run a very long time indeed if you do the right maintenance. I've done 70k in my car over the past 5 years and its never let me down.
I may start to look on ebay for one of those rare 123 or 126's that is a single owner, all records with less than 150k miles like those guys from CA seem to find. I still think about that pristine 300SD with 20000 miles that was on ebay a couple of years ago. Went for about 18000 I think, but that would have money well spent in my situation. If anybody knows about one of those I'd love to hear about it. There's fellow on the forum with a 1987 300D with about 100,000 miles, all receipts, one owner who wants to sell but can't decide on a price.

I'm thankful for the replies. I'm probably taking too much of a chance on the VW with no local dealer. Still have fond memories of my first diesel (1978 rabbit). The funny thing is that car was ten years old when it started to fall apart and my 300D from the same year is still going strong. Brings to mind that old saying, "...those that forget the past are condemned to repeat it".
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Old 10-05-2008, 11:55 PM
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In my area: Two very competent VW dealers who sell and service many Phaetons. I see many phaetons driving around where I live, and it's probably because of those nearby dealers. But VW sucks in general except the Phaeton(think bentley and not VW)
St. Louis has some major VW dealers, but it's like a VW wasteland for the rest of the state.
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The nicest W123 you can find will pale in comparison to a W211. Completely different level of economy, tech, safety and creature comforts.
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Old 10-06-2008, 12:59 AM
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... There's a thread on VWVortex where someone has 2001 a Golf TDI with 400k miles, and he says it runs like new...
That's K5ING on TDIClub.

To be honest, I would wait a year on the new TDIs. Introduction years are always strange for VW, parts tend to change, things get recalled / improved a lot the next year.

If you are wanting something E class sized look for a 2005.5 Jetta (The most highly optioned TDIs from the factory, ever) or an 04-05 Passat. No, the Passat doesn't have the cool factor of the 'benz, but then again what else does The VW has the advantage that you can diagnose all the computers yourself with VCDS. I don't know of any solution like that for Mercedes.

If you want a cheaper total cost of ownership go for the VW. If you want a Benz, that's gunna cost ya more. Its up to you if its worth it.

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Old 10-06-2008, 03:27 AM
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POS, a regular poster on this forum, has his 65k original miles '82 300D for sale.
Weee! How about a 65k-mile 1982 300D Turbo?

or you could get one to match.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___1982-Mercedes-300d-immaculate-low-miles-CA-Car_W0QQitemZ260296559092QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item260296559092&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C65%3A-1%7C240%3A1308&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245

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