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Old 11-16-2008, 03:59 PM
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Reality sucks. The average car buyer has no interest in diesel cars.
Hmmmmm....I think Mercedes is selling quite a few....that right there should open some eyes in the domestic auto makers eyes....but they are run by morons.
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Old 11-16-2008, 06:05 PM
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Whats killing them around here with E class diesel sales is lack of 4Matic. E class buyers in New England seem to want AWD more than diesel.


You also have to remember when buying a new Mercedes diesel makes a lot of sense. Its almost a no cost option, with no real downside. Well other than fuel costing $1 a gallon more.
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Old 11-16-2008, 06:17 PM
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Maybe the domestics are waiting for MB and BMW to make Diesel fashionable [again?], then follow suit. I mean GM could replace the gasser engine of every Malibu now sitting in dealer lots with a tested European Diesel engine and they wouldn't move off the lots any faster.

You have to consider that the constituency of this forum is a rogues gallery of IDI fans. We also need our wrench turning fix. New DIs won't appeal to much of this crowd. If you can't entice a bunch of Diesel-heads, how can you entice anyone else?

I've sworn off new cars. Nothing's been offered so far that I can't wait a few years, heck, 10-15 years to have. I'm sure many in this forum feel the same way. So you have a demographic that doesn't buy new cars and doesn't go to the dealer for service or parts. Why would manufacturers care for this demographic?

Maybe I'll get excited when key fob recognition wakes up the glow relay as I approach the car

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Old 11-16-2008, 07:23 PM
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Look at VW, given they have f'ed up the release, but people are still waiting in line for a new TDI. I wanted one, but they pissed me off to the point I said forget it. They are fuel efficient, and just as (if not more) reliable than any American car in the market right now. Many people were paying several thousand over MSRP to get their hands on one quickly.

If American auto producers want to stay alive, they need to try something different. Why not a road worthy diesel that will drive you across the country making 40 or 50+ mpg. The technology is there, and I would buy one any day of the week. I'll bet that many others would as well.
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Old 11-16-2008, 08:35 PM
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I'll bet that many others would as well.
Just not a dinky little 4-banger.

If they offered the 2.5L I-5 or 3.0L V6 TDIs, I would seriously consider a VW.
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diesels available around here

FYI...

In the Carolinas I did some searching around... in Charlotte and Winston-Salem there are a bunch of Jetta TDI's being advertised by the dealers. Probably 10 or so available between them (in stock). I saw an add from a Columbia, SC Mercedes dealer that looked like he had 10-15 new CDI's sitting there as well. Currently RUG is around $2 and diesel is around $3 / gal.

There was a press release a few week ago that Honda is delaying the intro of their diesels to the '10 model year.

It seems as if the fuel cost differential is really hurting the dealers motivation.
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Old 11-16-2008, 09:08 PM
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I'm just happy that I can fill the tank on my Golf for $20. I havn't done that in 5 years, and its damn nice.


Dropping a C note to fill the SDL hurt this summer.
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Old 11-16-2008, 10:51 PM
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I think that the new Saturn models are basically Vauxhalls.

They are actually "Americanized" Opels -- Detuned engines, softer suspensions, and bigger wheels

What we need are REAL Opels and Holdens not detuned, smogged,and castrated cars
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They are actually "Americanized" Opels -- Detuned engines, softer suspensions, and bigger wheels

What we need are REAL Opels and Holdens not detuned, smogged,and castrated cars
Pontiac GTO (now gone) and G6 I believe are both Holdens. I don't think they were detuned... certainly not the GTO. I considered picking one up on the used market. GM screwed up the new GTO's styling, but the manual trans and performance is very appealing. Got good reviews too.
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Old 11-16-2008, 11:31 PM
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Guess what car this is, its GM and you can't get it like this in this country.
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Guess what car this is, its GM and you can't get it like this in this country.
Well, since its 6_buick_parkave_interior.jpg....I'll take a wild stab and say its a Buick Park Ave?
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Iam not sure of this but.....only about 6% of cars are diesel in the states
been drinking but if I read correctly there is a 40cent extra tax on diesel as most users are large semi-trucks and no break for car users ???
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Old 11-17-2008, 01:19 AM
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Just not a dinky little 4-banger.

If they offered the 2.5L I-5 or 3.0L V6 TDIs, I would seriously consider a VW.
Americans do like their power. CDI's have plenty of that, and get pretty good mileage. It could be better though.

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FYI...

In the Carolinas I did some searching around... in Charlotte and Winston-Salem there are a bunch of Jetta TDI's being advertised by the dealers. Probably 10 or so available between them (in stock). I saw an add from a Columbia, SC Mercedes dealer that looked like he had 10-15 new CDI's sitting there as well. Currently RUG is around $2 and diesel is around $3 / gal.

There was a press release a few week ago that Honda is delaying the intro of their diesels to the '10 model year.

It seems as if the fuel cost differential is really hurting the dealers motivation.
I have given up my VW search for about a month now. I have continued checking the dealers I was looking at before, and they still don't have any available.

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Iam not sure of this but.....only about 6% of cars are diesel in the states
been drinking but if I read correctly there is a 40cent extra tax on diesel as most users are large semi-trucks and no break for car users ???
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That sounds about right, but keep in mind that their are only 2 cars that are available in diesel in the US.

The tax sounds about right too (depending on the state). They do that because semi trucks are going to use it no matter what the tax is, so they might as well make as much as they can off of it. Revenue is what matters, not saving the environment or the future of petrochemical resources.
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