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11-25-2008, 04:28 PM
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240d
hey guys,
im looking at buying a 240D for a commuter. The problem is i live in an area with lots of hills and my commute from town to home is about 6 miles all up hill. When properly maintained, are the NA 2.4s good at holding the speed limit up a grade? I know they are lighter cars as well but i am aware that i wont be passing up hill like i do in my Turbocharged 300SD. I have been getting about 25 MPG which is really good for the area i live in, but if a 240 will do a lot better i might take that route. Thanks!
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11-25-2008, 04:47 PM
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You won't enjoy it nearly as much for a hilly commute.
And the MPG difference will be minimal, due to the rear end ratios and how hard you'll probably be pushing that engine. Haven't heard of anyone breaking 30mpg in a hilly area in a 240D.
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11-25-2008, 04:49 PM
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the one i am looking at
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11-25-2008, 04:54 PM
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I spent a weekend driving around pittsburgh with my wife, kids & luggage in my 240D w/ 4spd manual. Bigger steeper hills than my hilly hometown of Ithaca, NY, or my experience of San Francisco. No problems, but you'll use all of the skinny pedal. Neat trick on a steep hill: Set the E brake w/ left foot, then step on the clutch, put it in 1st. Lite changes, left foot up, right foot down, pull the release knob WHACK, away you go.
I doubt you could hold more than 50 mph on a 7 or 8 % climb out of a valley or switchback, but if that's all you need, you'll be stylin'. Study up on engine & body assesmen, don't be afraid to look at more than 1 or 2 cars. Last edited by moon161; 11-25-2008 at 05:03 PM.
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11-25-2008, 04:54 PM
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What is it that you like about the 240D? Simplicity, availability of a manual, etc?
An N/A 300D is also relatively simple and has more guts, that would be my recommendation.
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11-25-2008, 05:11 PM
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just mileage other than that i would be very hesitant to give up a turbo. Is it possible to get better mileage/performance with a 4 speed manual tranny on a 3.0 turbo?
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11-25-2008, 05:42 PM
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A 240D would be an expensive way to save a few MPG over a 300SD. I'd set valve clearances, check & balance injectors, chase vacuum leaks, replace the shaft driven fan w/ an electric on thermostatic switch, drive everywhere w/ the windows rolled up, observe the speed limit & time approach to traffic lites so it's green when you get there, check tire pressure. Stage 2, 4 spd tranny, long rear end lose the radio antenna, side mirrors, star on the hood, add moon wheel covers, make a sheet metal or fiberglass to smooth airflow under the body, or an air dam for under the bumper.
Also consider greasing, or blending light oils into your diesel 2. The maintenance guy can give me used hydraulic oil from our CNC punches & brakes. Be sure to filter & dewater the oil first & check out all other caveats related to greasing or blending.
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11-25-2008, 06:03 PM
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You'd also save a few bucks compared to buying and maintaining a whole separate car. You will also gain a few mpg by doing your valves, adjusting bowden cable to shift at lower rpms, replacing fuel and air filters, inflating tires and maybe even going with a synthetic oil. Which isn't to say a 240D isn't nice to have in its own right. But I'd choose a 617 engine over a 616 any day for a daily driver.
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11-25-2008, 06:33 PM
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Basically if you cannot get a fair run at all the hills on your route I would not consider it. No amount of fuel milage to gain in general in your case either. You will probably be in a lower gear usually. Thats without a very good run at each hill.
The area I live in is basically pretty flat. So a 240d with a standard is managable. Basically if you loose speed on a hill by say coming up on a slower car you cannot get it back before topping the hill. Or even worse enter the start of a good hill at twenty miles per hour. You may gain next to nothing all the way up. The 240ds are good cars in my opinion but do have limits in practicallity. Also a consideration with normal base oil. The power is way down until the oil warms up quite a little. You just do not jump into a 240d with a cold engine. Start it and climb a good hill right away in my opinion. Last edited by barry123400; 11-25-2008 at 06:39 PM.
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11-26-2008, 03:30 PM
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but my question is whether or not a 4 speed manual would out-perform (in mileage and performance) the stock 4 speed automatic that is in my 3.0T.
Also where can i get higher gears for my diff? and how do you make the adjustment to the speedo? are they like older cars where they have nylon gears you can swap out for different ratios? by the way, within the past couple of months i have rebuilt and pop tested my injectors (monark nozzles), adjusted my valve clearance to spec, adjusted my injector pump and advanced it to 28*, added a custom intake/filter system, removed my EGR, Switched to 5w-40 full synthetic oil, and i put my ALDA back on and tuned it way down.
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11-26-2008, 03:33 PM
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11-26-2008, 03:41 PM
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no i guess im not being clear enough. im talking about a 3.0T with a 4 speed auto compared to a 3.0T with a 4 speed manual.
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11-26-2008, 03:44 PM
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About even with an edge towards the manual. The difference isn't as dramatic as with the 240D but its worth the swap.
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