This might be a longshot, but will any of the parts from a 67 200d manual transmission aid me in my quest to swap a 4 speed into my SD? Research on this forum indicates that it will bolt up, however the linkage connects differently than a normal 4 speed. will the flywheel and or flex plate work? I have acces to the entire parts car. Enlighten me guys!

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1979 240D with a 617 turbo diesel.

The trans and shifter will work but you're going to be doing a lot of cutting and welding. The flexplate and flywheel should be a direct carryover.

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1977 6.9 3(A) - 84k

Ok thanks for the info! That helps alot. I will most likely grab the flex plate and flywheel on my next trip. I dont think i am going to use the actual transmission because the linkage connects to top of the transmission versus the normal 4 speed where it connects to the side, and i dont think there would be room .

I know that i will have to cut and weld the shift rods to the appropriate length, and have the necessary equipment to do so.

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1979 240D with a 617 turbo diesel.

A 67 200d is a W110. It uses a different shifter than later W115 models and won't work in a W116 or W126.

Is there somewhere a thread on transmission (MT) interchangeability? I'd love to see how far back the trannies can be swapped. I already know the pre-war 170 and the post-war 170 will swap with the pontons as long as they are 4 cylinder, the difference for the diesels being a thicker clutch lining. The six cylinders are different, since both the M189 and M 183 cars (220s vs Adenauer limo MTsand 300SL gullwings) are kinda in a class by themselves.

The prewar 170V will swap with the early 180, only because the clutch housing is cast integral to the gearbox housing, that limits the swap to 180D cars and 180s using the W 136 side valve engines, plus all 170 cars gas or diesel. Cuz the starter changes sides on the M121 and OM 621.

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1950 170SD
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1960 190D
1960 Borgward Isabella TS 2dr
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1983 380SL
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3 x Citroen 2CV, down from 6

Hmm,I wonder whether using a different clutch set with this(w110 4-cyl.,ponton) transmission is even possible...and swapping the flywheels doesn`t seem a good idea(engine ballance).You have to change also the flywheel ring gear...as the difference in teeth shape,acc. to some german folks,hinders the usage of a w115,w123 starter on a w110 flywheel...
Anyway,if it`s possible at all,will the fork accept the new type throwout bearing? If not,will the tranny accept a later style fork?It`d also necessitate change or adjustment of the slave cylinder pushrod....
Here is how a 4 cyl. clutch looks like:
http://www.mbzponton.org/valueadded/maintenance/clutch/clutch_replace2.htm

The W110 body style cars had a large 6 bolt pattern flywheel. The newer W116/W123 etc. cars have a smaller 12 bolt pattern, so the W110 flywheel will not bolt up to a 617, etc. engine. When I put a 617 diesel engine in my W111 (fintail) I could not use the flywheel from the original engine, so I used one from a later W115 220D.

Squiggle Dog,did you use the w111 tranny and what clutch did you use?

-another thing to consider on w110 tranny is that a 200mm clutch was used,and the clutch surface diameter of the flywheels on other models is different-228...215mm...

Thanks for the info guys. I will hold out for a proper 240d 4 speed and related parts.

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1979 240D with a 617 turbo diesel.

I used the stock W111 manual column shift transmission. I am using a flywheel and clutch set from a 220D/240D. A 300D flywheel and clutch would be best, but they are hard to find and very expensive unless you find one at a wrecking yard.

Checked the part numbers,w111 and w110 finback trannies use the same release yoke and bellhousing,so the 200d one would accept the new clutch kit(+release bearing)...
Given your successful experience,can we conclude it`s doable?


Strelnik,are these like yours:
http://apps01.zf.com/zf.productDataBase/service/mediaFiles?levelTypeName=Contents&levelID=329315&mediaFileName=SySp%20942%203000.pdf&languageISOCode=DE

http://apps01.zf.com/zf.productDataBase/service/mediaFiles?levelTypeName=Contents&levelID=329466&mediaFileName=D-Die-ZF-Ross%20Lenkung.pdf&languageISOCode=DE

http://apps01.zf.com/zf.productDataBase/service/mediaFiles?levelTypeName=Contents&levelID=330856&mediaFileName=Ross-Lenkung.pdf&languageISOCode=DE

So will the 67 flywheel and flex plate work with a 4 speed 240d manual tranny? I might have a line on a tranny but no flex plate or flywheel.

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1979 240D with a 617 turbo diesel.