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Old 02-20-2009, 01:04 AM
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I got the fact , not any " idea " from living in a college town and watching hundreds of stupid kids run cherry stick shift 240D's into the ground in a year from keeping the throttle pinned 24/7 ....I agree , a 5 speed manual tranny 5 cylinder Diesel would be a nice car but then I know how to operate it within it's design parameters , few do .
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Old 02-20-2009, 04:53 AM
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I got the fact , not any " idea " from living in a college town and watching hundreds of stupid kids run cherry stick shift 240D's into the ground in a year from keeping the throttle pinned 24/7 .


You have shown no factual points.

An automatic will revv up to the same RPM as a manual and do so just as easily, easier in fact.

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There's theoretical discussion OnLine then there's fact and experiance from being a Journeyman Mechanic for 40 + years....
Nobody ever said a "Journeyman Mechanic" is always right. I know lots of old folks that have been proven wrong many times by much younger mechanics.
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Old 02-20-2009, 07:16 AM
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Fuel cut in a om 6xx is way before damage can be caused.
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Old 02-20-2009, 07:47 AM
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I got the fact , not any " idea " from living in a college town and watching hundreds of stupid kids run cherry stick shift 240D's into the ground in a year from keeping the throttle pinned 24/7 .

Yes yes , we all know there's a governor but it's a saftery device , not a shift point indicator....

There's theoretical discussion OnLine then there's fact and experiance from being a Journeyman Mechanic for 40 + years....

I agree , a 5 speed manual tranny 5 cylinder Diesel would be a nice car but then I know how to operate it within it's design parameters , few do .
so please do tell us the secret, I hate to think I have been shifting wrong for 25 years...........
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Yeah, blame the car. Maybe some of those 'stupid kids' just don't know how to drive!
I own an automatic '82 240D, a manual '81 240D, and a 5-speed '84 Euro 300TD.
While the PO claimed they had the 240D's automatic rebuilt, and I've come to enjoy this car for local driving, it still has it's annoying quirks.
The 1-2 shift jerks until warm-up, the 2-3 shift delay causes very high engine revs unless I 'persuade' it to shift with the accelerator, and highway engine revs seem highen too - probably from inherent slippage due to the lack of a lock-up converter. And, compared to both my stickshift diesels, the fuel-mileage sucks!
Generally, my manual 240D is more pleasant and satisfying to drive, especially on the highway. And my 5-speed Euro 300TD is even better still.
Again, examples of why I prefer to shift for myself!

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Old 02-20-2009, 10:18 PM
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I got the fact , not any " idea " from living in a college town and watching hundreds of stupid kids run cherry stick shift 240D's into the ground in a year from keeping the throttle pinned 24/7 .

Yes yes , we all know there's a governor but it's a saftery device , not a shift point indicator....

There's theoretical discussion OnLine then there's fact and experiance from being a Journeyman Mechanic for 40 + years....

I agree , a 5 speed manual tranny 5 cylinder Diesel would be a nice car but then I know how to operate it within it's design parameters , few do .
I have never heard of anybody damaging a mb diesel from over revving it. Running it low on oil is another question.
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Old 02-20-2009, 10:33 PM
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Post There Is NO " Secret "

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so please do tell us the secret, I hate to think I have been shifting wrong for 25 years...........
You just have to not run it against the governor before every shift .

Simple .
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Old 02-20-2009, 10:35 PM
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Nobody ever said a "Journeyman Mechanic" is always right. I know lots of old folks that have been proven wrong many times by much younger mechanics.
Yeah ~ ME for example !

Not this time tho' .
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Old 02-20-2009, 10:37 PM
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I have never heard of anybody damaging a mb diesel from over revving it. Running it low on oil is another question.
If you run it as fast as it'll Rev., before every up shift , the oil will soon be on the outside of the engine and it's suffer....

This is so simple it boggles my mind you alls don't get it .

Maybe you never see the battered college kids cars I do .
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If you run it as fast as it'll Rev., before every up shift , the oil will soon be on the outside of the engine and it's suffer....

This is so simple it boggles my mind you alls don't get it .

Maybe you never see the battered college kids cars I do .

you could do the same thing with an auto, just floor the pedal to hit the downshift switch, the transmission has nothing to do with bad drivers. if someone here wants a 4 speed in their car, they should do the swap, the life of the engine or their ability to drive intelligently should not be greatly effected.
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Since My origional thread has been hijacked by vwnate1, I will thank all of you other guys that followed the thread and gave me your honest and VALUED opinions on what the conversion is worth. I bought what looks like EVERYTHING I will need except the modified driveline for $300. For the money, I think I did OK. The parts are all cleaned. I have a couple of drive shafts.
Here is the link of what I bought.
Can anyone tell me about what year Mercedes went to the one piece aluminum case trans? Are they pretty durable?

http://www.schumanautomotive.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8129
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Old 02-21-2009, 12:12 AM
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Be aware that converting to manual tranny is nice but won't make it any faster , it'll just allow you to easily overspeed the engine , turning it into yet another for sale beater stickshift 240D that leaks oil and smokes too much.....

OTOH , stick shift Diesels are nice drivers .
By the way JUNIOR..^^... I drove UPS trucks for 30 years and all the diesel package cars we had were run up against the governor on about every shift, every day. NONE of those engines blew up, blew out oil, belched or farted because they were reved to the defuel point. I helped the mechanic from time to time when he had to change out an engine and most ran 300,000mi plus getting beat every day. We had two 28ft box trucks that were Internationals with the 7.3 turbo diesel V8, same engine that Ford used in its pickups. BOTH of those trucks had over 550,000 miles on them, NEVER a head off and were run wide open 550 miles a night. The only way I know of to over-rev a diesel is to downshift to a lower gear at too high of speed for that gear.
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Yeah, honestly, I wouldn't trust somebody selling parts that would CUT the driveshaft off and leave the stub attached rather than unbolting the flexdisk.
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