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Old 03-02-2009, 09:38 AM
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The fact that it worked after hitting the starter points to a worn out starter but it is not conclusive. Others have found that increasing voltage or amperage to the starter by putting a solenoid relay in the system, stops this kind of problem so it is still possible that the existing wiring is old enough with poor enough connections to reduce power to the starter and your hitting the starter allowed it to get better enough connections to function with the reduced energy. I only point this out because some people have replaced their starters only to have the problem continue. If you are certain that there was power when you crossed terminal 1 and 3 and the starter still did not turn, this would point even more at a sticky solenoid or bad starter.

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Also doesn't explain the alternator & battery problems mentioned.

Check the ground strap to the engine.
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Also doesn't explain the alternator & battery problems mentioned.

Check the ground strap to the engine.
He said...


"VICTORY! Tried tapping the solenoid with a hammer and wah-la! Thank you everyone."
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"VICTORY! Tried tapping the solenoid with a hammer and wah-la! Thank you everyone."
GWB also said mission accomplished.
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Old 03-02-2009, 01:51 PM
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... and as Kerry said, it is not conclusive, so no "wah-la" (viola).

Wrong thread on the alternator though (sorry).
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Old 03-02-2009, 03:10 PM
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Lot's of good reading there, but it doesn't mention home heating fuel, my car's favorite food.
Same as #2 diesel from the pump, just without the dye and taxes.
That and they deliver.
You probably shouldn't brag about violating federal law on a public forum.

Karma will get you someday if you feel it necessary to cheat the system.
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I think that he only drives his car on private property ;~)

Uses it for farming.
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How can I further narrow the list of possible problems? As Kerry mentioned, I don't want to replace the starter only to have the problem continue.
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Just for all the upstanding law abiding karma police, burning wvo or homemade biodiesel is every bit the same law breaking as using hho.
You didn't pay the tax, you can't use it on the street.
As for hho being different than #2 diesel, kid yourself all you want that the refinery is producing two extremely similar yet different fuels.
I have been to about 50 different forums that discuss this very issue, and the most reliable info has it that they are the same.
In fact, read the MSDS. The refinery defines #2 fuel oil as Diesel and Home Heating Oil. They even get sent in the same pipeline.

Legally speaking, using hho is illegal (not really sure if it is a LAW, or a TAX CODE which is being broken), but is it unethical?
I think that as long as diesel costs more than gasoline, then using untaxed hho is leveling an unfair playing field. It doesn't cost more to produce diesel, it costs more for gasoline, so where is the extra money going?
Maybe right to the politicians who allow the oil companies to rape the consumer? What is the current level of tax per gallon on diesel? At one point I paid $2.25 for hho and diesel at the pump was at $4.10. Are there REALLY $1.85 in taxes being levied, if not why the extra cost? According to the Energy Information Administration http://www.eia.doe.gov
the federal taxes in 08 were 24.4 cents/gallon and state taxes averaged about 22 cents/gallon.
Follow the money!!!

They quit rippin me off, I'll start folowing the rules!!!!

Then the penalties. I've never heard of DOT dipping the tank on a passenger vehicle. I don't think they even could, short of siphoning fuel out of the tank. Be kinda hard to get that stick through the fill tube.

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Old 03-06-2009, 08:39 PM
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You probably shouldn't brag about violating federal law on a public forum.

Karma will get you someday if you feel it necessary to cheat the system.
How is this different than the fellows that run WVO, etc? They are not paying road tax either....
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How can I further narrow the list of possible problems? As Kerry mentioned, I don't want to replace the starter only to have the problem continue.
Next time it happens, check for voltage at the terminal block and jump 1 and 3. When you tried to jump it there recently, did you get sparks when you jumped the terminals? What did you use to jump the terminals? If you can get the starter to work from that terminal block, it indicates the problem is probably not the starter.
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I just used a couple pieces of wire. There were no sparks either.
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I just used a couple pieces of wire. There were no sparks either.
If there were no sparks, it suggest a bad connection somewhere upstream possible at the battery itself. How did you use the two piece of wire? Normally it only requires a single piece of wire? It won't spark when put on the first terminal but almost certainly should spark on the second if current is present. It could also mean that the ground strap from the engine to the body has a poor connection.

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