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Old 10-19-2001, 01:11 AM
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Yes , the newer cars still use vacuum for the locking system, except for the MLs. The older cars used vacuum to lock and unlock, applying and releasing vacuum to either side of a diaphragm. The newer cars, 124 and 126, and up use an electrically acuated vacuum/pressure pump, vacuum locks and pressure unlocks. This also works the closing assist on the doors and trunk lid on the 92 and newer S class. I don't know why they stuck with this system but I like the way it works.

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Old 10-19-2001, 07:09 AM
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Talking Locking keys in vehicle

I don't think a chimpanzee could lock his keys in a mercedes, but I see that we humans (myself included) have found several clever ways to do this!!!!
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Old 02-27-2006, 02:27 AM
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Vaccum system sucks. Mine wasn't exactly quiet, my Vacuum pump died a loud screaming fatal death. I'd rather have a 88 Honda Accord door locks...Little 35 dollar electric motor takes 25 minutes to change if something ever goes wrong. I think Mercedes used Vaccum locks to keep some legacy parts supported before they invested into a transition product that had been keenly tested and be supported by various other models.
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Old 02-27-2006, 03:58 AM
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I can replace the $26 vacuum elements in 10 minutes per door.

In case of emergency, one can also lock the door to shut off the engine. How's that for engineering?
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Old 02-27-2006, 12:23 PM
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I can replace the $26 vacuum elements in 10 minutes per door.

In case of emergency, one can also lock the door to shut off the engine. How's that for engineering?
And how can you do that????
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Old 02-27-2006, 01:19 PM
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I think Mercedes used Vaccum locks to keep some legacy parts supported before they invested into a transition product that had been keenly tested and be supported by various other models.
They just like vacuum locks. It creates a nice, fluid, rich feel. After all, it isn't rocket science. Not exactly cold war secret spy technology they would have to steal from the Russians. They knew how to put in electric locks if they wanted to. I think that they just like the action of vacuum (vacuum/hydraulic) locks.
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Old 02-27-2006, 01:44 PM
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I like vacuum locks, well I did until I had to replace the vacuum/pressure pump in my '91 4matic, with orthopedic seats, ... about $400 in '96 YEOWCH!

The ones in my '85 quattro still work flawlessly, original pump, the ones in my '87 190D work great, also on a pump. Once the electric pump was installed for these vacuum locks they became much more reliable, and I do like the quiet operation EXCEPT with RKE: When you push the button on the remote, it is reassuring to hear the low-tech clunk of the electric solenoids on our domestic cars, or the nice whirring sound on our Land Rover to indicate that it locked properly.

To lock your keys in the car: Close the driver's door, open the LR door to remove items from the rear seat area, temporarily put the keys down while gathering things from the rear seat, reach around to the driver's door button and push it down, close rear door, notice keys on the rear seat.

Haven't done it, came close a couple of times, usually how I lock the door when getting things from the rear but I pocket the keys first now.

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Old 02-27-2006, 02:22 PM
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To lock your keys in the car: Close the driver's door, open the LR door to remove items from the rear seat area, temporarily put the keys down while gathering things from the rear seat, reach around to the driver's door button and push it down, close rear door, notice keys on the rear seat.

Haven't done it, came close a couple of times, usually how I lock the door when getting things from the rear but I pocket the keys first now.

- Jeff Miller
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I was about to say that I've never come close to locking them in, as I always put them in my pocket right when I get out of the car, I practically always open the rear door to lock the car, its just easier.... Plus I usually am taking or putting my backpack for school right there.
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Old 02-27-2006, 02:32 PM
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I'll say that there two cars I have owned that I could not lock my keys inside. The first one is a 1942 Jeep--it has no doors! The second one is the 1984 300SD. It is impossible for someone to lock their keys inside, thanks to the vacuum locks. Maybe I shouldn't say impossible. Perhaps someone has figured how to lock their keys inside a Mercedes with vacuum locks.
i did it in my 240D... at the time it was my grandmother's car and i was about 5 years old
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I would think that a vacuum solinoid (if that's what it's called) would have a much greater life
expectancy than an electric solinoid.......
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When you ask yourself which one has flexing rubber diaphragms, you might change your opinion.
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Old 02-27-2006, 03:33 PM
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Vacuum imuch more reliable than electric and easier to troubleshoot. Remember that most of our cars are 20 plus year old and the vacuum systems still work. You wont find many electrical locks etc that old still working on the original system.
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Old 02-27-2006, 04:43 PM
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Why do Mercedes have Vacuum Locks?
Because they can.

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