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Old 04-21-2009, 05:25 AM
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What is the difference between a 300D & 300SD?
As Skippy mentions, different car. In my sig is a SD (126 chassis) and CD (123 chassis).
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All I can say is buying my diesel Benz 3 years ago,was the best thing I did. For years I bought new cars,and trucks.Made payments,and their stupid electronics,or transmissions gave me trouble.I could never trust the vehicles.One Dodge minivan ate 6 transmissions in 5 years.
My SD I've made emergency 2800 mile trips,no problems.Its ready to go anywhere.Of course I did everything it needed maint. wise.
I had complete paperwork on it.People on forums,like Forced know their stuff,BGKast builds the best injectors,for neck breaking resluts.Yahoo groups like dieselmercedes,andw125 diesels,have how to files.
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if they are still there, (doubtful) jump on them right now because those are rare. let me repeat rare. so rare that ive never seen one in real life, and ive been to many places where i could have seen one.

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The other one I saw had cool pictures of the inside, with the "third row seat . . . it's gone now . . .
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As Skippy mentions, different car. In my sig is a SD (126 chassis) and CD (123 chassis).
I think the 123 is a better design . . . more made . . . what do you think?
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I think the 123 is a better design . . . more made . . . what do you think?
As luxurious as the S-class cars are, I just prefer the more handy size of the W123. (So much that now I own three of them!) And they're certainly more common in my local salvage-yards.

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I think the 123 is a better design . . . more made . . . what do you think?
PC analysis is fine. But online judgments -- generally made by car owners in favor of the iron parked in their driveways -- will only get you as far as your desk. For a true measure of any MB, I think you'll need to go out and kick some tires.
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Old 04-22-2009, 09:26 AM
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PC analysis is fine. But online judgments -- generally made by car owners in favor of the iron parked in their driveways -- will only get you as far as your desk. For a true measure of any MB, I think you'll need to go out and kick some tires.
I thought the w123 300D would be the car for me.......but, I've quickly become addicted to buying ANY old diesel model ; however, my model to drive daily has quickly become the 300SDL
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I think the 123 is a better design . . . more made . . . what do you think?
Here's my $.02. Been driving a 123 for 2 1/2 yrs. and absolutely love it. Recently bought my wife a 126 (both '83 models) and --- - absolutely love it. But I think I like the 123 for bumping around town more. Like the 126 for highway time. Both cars are in great shape, but the 126 is a bit quieter and smoother ride. As was stated before, the automatic transmission is the best of both worlds. With its vacuum control (as opposed to electronic) you can adjust it to shift high or low revs - hard or soft -- provides most of the guy features of a straight shift for me and yet allows my wife to put it in 'D' and think about more improtant matters.
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Old 04-22-2009, 12:01 PM
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I think the 123 is a better design . . . more made . . . what do you think?
I think the 123's are better built, fewer rattles and squeaks. I like the ride in the 126 better, but don't know what shocks are on the CD.
Not sure of the number produced, but wouldn't surprise me there are more 123's.
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As I mentioned, I have 3 W123s, a rusty automatic 240D, a second, more rusty 4-speed 240D, and a 5-speed Euro 300TD.
They all have their pros & cons. The automatic 240D is my 'lazy man's' car - perfect for local errands but very noisy on the highway. The 4-speed 240D was acquired initially as a possible conversion donor for the automaic car, but it ran so well that didn't have the heart to gut it, so I started fixing it up. It's a much better highway car and runs & drives very well, but it's still a rust bucket.
My 300TD easily outperforms both 240Ds, but does have some issues, including an annoying driveline vibration under load, and a much harsher ride than either 240D, that hopefuly will improve when I get the SLS sorted out.

I have driven many larger and/or newer Benzes, including the W126 300SD / 300SE, and W124 300E / 300D. Their refinement made them a pleasure to drive, but the big S-class is a larger car than I want to drive or park, the aluminum-head diesels don't seem to have the bulletproof reputation of their older counterparts, and the electrical complication of the newer cars and computerised fuel-injection is something I'd rather not have to deal with when they get to be 20 - 30 years old.
As I said, I prefer to keep my old cars simple!

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Let me clarify . . .

What I meant by "better design" was more reliable, easier to maintain, lots of parts available . . . the populous has purchased alot of these, repeadedly, and are satisfied with the car . . .

That is what I meant . . . or maybe phrased another way . . . if MB made some more of these 123 like they did in the early 80's do you think there would be a waiting list for the 2010 models?
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What I meant by "better design" was more reliable, easier to maintain, lots of parts available . . . the populous has purchased alot of these, repeadedly, and are satisfied with the car . . .

That is what I meant . . . or maybe phrased another way . . . if MB made some more of these 123 like they did in the early 80's do you think there would be a waiting list for the 2010 models?
There's not a danger of a waiting list for any new car from Mercedes-Benz that I am aware of......especially a diesel model.
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What I meant by "better design" was more reliable, easier to maintain, lots of parts available . . . the populous has purchased alot of these, repeadedly, and are satisfied with the car . . .

That is what I meant . . . or maybe phrased another way . . . if MB made some more of these 123 like they did in the early 80's do you think there would be a waiting list for the 2010 models?
At the right price, perhaps to Mercedes Diesel enthusiasts, or in some other, less litigious, parts of the world. I think a spartan W123 might be a hard sell, today in the US, without all the safety and conveniece items today's car buyers, and government legislators, have been persuaded they must have. Multiple front & side airbags. antilock & stability control, active suspensions navigation systems, onboard data recorders, not to mention all the regular features such as automatic climate control, power seats with memory, power windows, power mirrors, power antenna, power sunroof, etc....
Most of this gadgetry may make cars safer and more covenient, but I doubt more reliable - especially as the cars approach old-age.

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especially as the cars approach old-age.

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Which, depending on location can be 5-6 years old. After 10 its junk.
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My point was that the previous new owners of 123's who are now driving something else, because they fell into the "only drive a new car trap" if they had a choice of buying the same car that they use to have, but only new off the floor, since they were happy with the original, they would buy another one . . . they may have bought an 80, then an 85, then a 90, but things change, and quality / reliabilty have fallen by the wayside . . . maybe it was just my crazy idea, but I think alot of manufactures would be able to sell a new old car again, they were great before . . . yes I know some people like all that "new stuff" but if a car is built right, why do you need all that extra stuff? look back in post #9 Charles tells us of a family walking away from an accident with no curtian airbags, probably didn't have front airbags, but even if it did, they did not help the passengers in the rear when that car flipped end over end, what saved them was a car built soundly . . . Your right about a lot of people wanting all the creature comforts in cars now . . . but tell me your not comfortable in your MB! If it is so horrable why are so many people using these old cars as daily drivers?
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