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Old 05-29-2009, 02:26 AM
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Now that's funny, ... considering a new one today can easily go over $2million.
i actually was considering a prevost, but when my wife saw it she said it was too foofoo!! she likes our current unit much better, the prevost was $189,000.00 and this unit was $15,900.00 quite a difference i must say!!

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Old 05-29-2009, 02:29 AM
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Yup looks like the Crusader II I had. Hope you do not have any air leaks at the tanks cause you are not going to believe were they are.
where are they? this unit seems ok, does bleed down within an hour to 40psi
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Old 05-29-2009, 02:30 AM
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That is pretty neat. I am clueless on how to maintain a bus. But I bet it would be fun to learn. What is the motor oil capacity of that "Mutha"?
i wanna say 15gal, i had a service done in oklaoma city, i will check the invoice and let you know
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Old 05-29-2009, 02:33 AM
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Looks like an MCI 7. Good bus, lots of them around from the 'hound service.

The 8V92TA is a good engine, rated up to 500hp. Stickshift or Allison conversion? Probably a 741 allison of that vintage.

Look up busconversions.com for info, the guys there are real tuned-up on MCIs as well as the DD engines, pretty hard-core though so you'll need thick skin.

Lots of parts available for the bus, used especially, the conversion is apparently a home-built so look to your local camping-world for parts there. Also consider covering the windows and possibly a roof-raise before painting, well worth the trouble.

Rust in the air-beams is a problem as mentioned above, if they rust you will lose air. Storing additional air in the beams increases the compressable volume of the air in the rear suspension and gives a softer ride, eliminating them works okay, but reduces ride quality somewhat.
i believe it is an MC8, tis one has 495hp, can likely be increased by injector upgrade., i have window covers, just removed them when i washed it, they are snap-on type screens
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Old 05-29-2009, 05:43 AM
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Carson357,
Very well bought, nice appearance outside & inside.
BE CAREFUL with the operating temps of the DD 8V71 or 8V92. Go over 200* for short period of time and that enigne goes bye bye. I have a 6V92TA in a MCI 5C, and have researched and spoken at length with operators. The V92 series has a wet cyl liner with a O-ring at top. Too much heat and it blows. These are 2 Cycle engines which were designed in the 40's without regard to fuel consumption nor heat rejection. They will put out some heat which needs to be disipated thru the rad's. Increase your injector size ( verify under the valve cover inj size) and you may find your radiators can not expel the increased heat.
There are two(2) water pumps on this engine. If you replaced and find it over heating it may be air bound in the coolant crossover pipe. Some owners install a air release on top of this pipe.
If you want engine work or a great source of info on these engines, Don Fairchild in Bakersfield(90% sure of location) is the guy. I will PM you phone numbers. Bus conversions from all locations in USA & Canada pass thru just to have him work his magic. Wonderful person, willing to assist.
Your engine oil capacity is determined, in part, by the depth of the oil pan. Mine uses 5.5 gal. ALSO, it has been bantered about, but I listen to the oldest mech's to ONLY use a single wgt oil in these vehicles. I use Rotella 30 wgt, avail at NAPA. I would subsitute other brands, but the single weight is like gospel.

Pics later, but feel free to email or call for other tech information, generator, electrical, bus parts, etc,etc, 609 703 8989 or garypasternak@aol.com.

Best of luck with the new addition, Many many trouble free miles should be in your future with the right maint. If you are here you will be of the right mind set to maintain a bus.

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Old 05-29-2009, 08:44 AM
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I think its time to make a cigarette bus.
what is that from?
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Old 05-29-2009, 09:33 AM
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where are they? this unit seems ok, does bleed down within an hour to 40psi
My Crusader II frame rails were the airtanks. Acess was removing the first three rows of seats on P side, removing flooring to access. It was such a PIA I completely disconnected it and installed standard Class 8 Truck air tanks.
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VERY IMPORTANT

Carson,

Another thing, do not ever, ever, ever get under the bus without solid blocking. If the air suspension has a large leak, it will settle in a instant.

Do not wish to "mother" you, but this is critical.
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Old 05-29-2009, 05:30 PM
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I wouldn't have believed it unless I saw it with my own two eyes............and I still don't think I believe it:

http://www.marathoncoach.com/invoice/1167%20XLV4S%20InvNew.pdf
Wow that seems like a huge ripoff. Two million? That price comes well into the into boat territory in the dollar per foot scale.
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Now that's funny, ... considering a new one today can easily go over $2million.
This was about 10+ years ago.At that time in that part of Idaho new tract homes were going for 110-120K...
The bus owner was from the Chicago area,said it was either a place in the forest in Michigan/Minnesota or the bus.
Said the bus was cheaper and he could drive to any forest camp spot he wanted
Hard to argue with that logic!
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Old 05-29-2009, 07:42 PM
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Nice Bus!

Always dreamed about doing a conversion. My first victim was going to be a 1949 or 1950 Flexible, with a Buick straight 8.

Found a pic of one that gives you an idea of what it looked like. http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/your_garage/cars/2206.shtml
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Old 05-29-2009, 08:21 PM
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Believe it Brian, and that's not even a high-custom one. I manufacture parts for conversion companies, Liberty makes a pretty nice conversion also.
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Old 05-29-2009, 08:45 PM
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About 10years ago, Prevost Marathon & Liberty conversions were well over the 1million mark for nice ones.

Be real careful to test the SCAs in the engine coolant, do a search on "cavitation pitting" to see how bubbles can put holes through the cylinder walls in a wet-sleeve engine.

And Gary's advice is correct, 2-stroke DD engines are never supposed to see multi-viscosity dinosaur oil (per DD specs).

What transmission?

Is it a DDEC engine (hopefully NOT DDEC 1)?
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Old 08-02-2009, 07:01 AM
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Does it have jakes? I love a good 2-stroke DD, I'd jump at the chance to put a 4-53 into a W123.
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Old 08-02-2009, 09:39 PM
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Does it have jakes? I love a good 2-stroke DD, I'd jump at the chance to put a 4-53 into a W123.
i am not sure if has them or not, the previous owner says it does, but that they are disconnected. i have to figure out how to tell and how to reconnect them, i know the valve covers on the 8V92 have to be taller to accomodate the mechanism. when i first read your post i was thinking of the 8V92 in a W123!!
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