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Ken300D 06-02-2009 05:58 PM

Pulling an A/C System Vacuum
 
I will soon start on my 300SD A/C system work.

I have a good pump.

Will I need some sort of hard line from the pump to the A/C system port? Something that won't collapse under vacuum? Know of a source?

Thanks,
Ken300D

slk230red 06-02-2009 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ken300D (Post 2215143)
I will soon start on my 300SD A/C system work.

I have a good pump.

Will I need some sort of hard line from the pump to the A/C system port? Something that won't collapse under vacuum? Know of a source?

Thanks,
Ken300D

I just connect my vacuum pump to the gauge manifold so I can read the vacuum. After sufficient vacuum time, shut off the valves, disconnect the hose from the vacuum pump, connect the freon, charge the system.

Matt L 06-02-2009 09:19 PM

Why do you need a hard line? Why not a simple lowly AC service hose?

gmercoleza 06-02-2009 09:22 PM

Just use the center hose from the manifold gauges, no need for a hard line.

dannym 06-03-2009 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by slk230red (Post 2215149)
I just connect my vacuum pump to the gauge manifold so I can read the vacuum. After sufficient vacuum time, shut off the valves, disconnect the hose from the vacuum pump, connect the freon, charge the system.

Your allowing air into your system without purging your lines.

I just use a regular hose to the center port of the gauges. Never had any problems with hoses collapsing.

Danny

slk230red 06-03-2009 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slk230red (Post 2215149)
I just connect my vacuum pump to the gauge manifold so I can read the vacuum. After sufficient vacuum time, shut off the valves, disconnect the hose from the vacuum pump, connect the freon, charge the system.

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Originally Posted by dannym (Post 2215516)
Your allowing air into your system without purging your lines.

I just use a regular hose to the center port of the gauges. Never had any problems with hoses collapsing.

Danny

What? How is that? I connect the center hose of my gauges to my vacuum pump. After I finish vacuuming the system, I shut off the valves while maintaining vacuum, remove the hose from the vacuum pump, attach it to my freon jug, open freon valve, slightly crack the connection at the low side to allow freon to push out air in line.
Charge system, check for leaks, done!

leathermang 06-03-2009 09:21 AM

They knew those hoses needed to withstand pressure in both directions..

As to purging the lines... that is the proper procedure.... but sometimes hard with the new ( self sealing ) ends mandated on some hoses... I would like to know how to purge them if someone knows... without freezing the end of a finger of course... Do you have to make some jig for this procedure ? I can imagine one.... but hope someone has a better way than having to make one...

TX76513 06-03-2009 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by leathermang (Post 2215564)
They knew those hoses needed to withstand pressure in both directions..

As to purging the lines... that is the proper procedure.... but sometimes hard with the new ( self sealing ) ends mandated on some hoses... I would like to know how to purge them if someone knows... without freezing the end of a finger of course... Do you have to make some jig for this procedure ? I can imagine one.... but hope someone has a better way than having to make one...

Push the "Purge Lines Button" on machine:D

leathermang 06-03-2009 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by slk230red (Post 2215563)
What? How is that? I connect the center hose of my gauges to my vacuum pump. After I finish vacuuming the system, I shut off the valves while maintaining vacuum, remove the hose from the vacuum pump, attach it to my freon jug, open freon valve, slightly crack the connection at the low side to allow freon to push out air in line.
Charge system, check for leaks, done!

Another recommended procedure .... particularly if you do not have the equipment to recover your freon in case of a leak....

Is to charge the system with nitrogen and four ounces of R22 as allowed by the EPA guides.... that way in case there is a leak you can legally vent that and fix the leak , re vacuum and charge system ,check for leaks again and be done with it... most people do not have an actual recovery tank but might could rent or borrow a bottle of nitrogen...

leathermang 06-03-2009 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by TX76513 (Post 2215566)
Push the "Purge Lines Button" on machine:D

It seems that I need new glasses...can you describe how to find it by braille ?
Thanks,

Matt L 06-03-2009 10:36 AM

For purging a line with self-sealing connections, I screw the hose onto an unused fitting until it just cracks. Hold that end up, as air is lighter than refrigerant, and slowly let the air out. It is obvious when you are out of air and into refrigerant, as the tone of the hiss greatly changes.

leathermang 06-03-2009 10:40 AM

Thanks Matt, where exactly is that ' unused fitting' ? Where did you get it ?

dannym 06-03-2009 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slk230red (Post 2215563)
What?.....slightly crack the connection at the low side to allow freon to push out air in line.....

You didn't mention that the first time.

If you pull a vacuum and disconnect the hose you let air in. If you don't purge it out the air enters the system.
Air in system is bad!

Danny

leathermang 06-03-2009 10:58 AM

I started to post the same objection... but decided that if he actually completely disconnected at the low side, then purged the line to there and reconnected it would be ok... but the more reasonable thing would be since the vacuum is all the way to the gauge to purge at the gauge from the freon tank then connect up tight...and connect to the vacuumed line from the low side to the manifold gauge set....

Matt L 06-03-2009 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by leathermang (Post 2215630)
Thanks Matt, where exactly is that ' unused fitting' ? Where did you get it ?

I use a 1/4FL to 1/2ACME adapter, usually. I have a couple of those lying about. Of course, if it's a 1/4" fitting, I use a 1/4"M - 1/2F adapter, similarly for a 1/2" fitting. All the big names (Mastercool, Robinair, FJC, etc, etc) sell these adapters for a couple of bucks each.


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