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Old 06-17-2009, 09:51 PM
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My son bought his first car yesterday, a 1972 220D. We are going to change the fluids tomorrow, but have no manual to tell us what oils and weights to use. Can someone please list the fluid amounts, weights, and type (synthetic or dino)? We will do the differential, motor oil, fuel filter and oil filter. Not sure how to do the fuel pump oil, probably need a manual for that one, correct?

On an aside, the front grill has a collection of badges indicating the car has over 1 million kilometers, could this be true?

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Old 06-17-2009, 10:38 PM
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I would start with the oil change. That will be challenging enough, Six quarts of your favorite brand of 15w40 oil. I believe the drain plug probably takes a 14 mm hex wrench.

The oil filter is a cannister type. It has a prefilter disk which you clean and re-use, plus a replaceable filter element. Plan on getting covered with black oil from head to foot the first time you do this. Changing that filter ain;t pretty. If the engine mounts are shot (very likely), you might have to jack the engine up a few inches to get the cannister out.

The air cleaner is an oil bath type. Take out the filter element and soak it in kerosene to clean it. Muck out the bottom of the filter case. Refill it with engine oil to the arrow mark (about 1 inch).

Post a picture of the fuel filters so we can see which version you have. Good possibility you will need to change the primer pump due to leakage.
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I would start with the oil change. That will be challenging enough, Six quarts of your favorite brand of 15w40 oil. I believe the drain plug probably takes a 14 mm hex wrench.

The oil filter is a cannister type. It has a prefilter disk which you clean and re-use, plus a replaceable filter element. Plan on getting covered with black oil from head to foot the first time you do this. Changing that filter ain;t pretty. If the engine mounts are shot (very likely), you might have to jack the engine up a few inches to get the cannister out.

The air cleaner is an oil bath type. Take out the filter element and soak it in kerosene to clean it. Muck out the bottom of the filter case. Refill it with engine oil to the arrow mark (about 1 inch).

Post a picture of the fuel filters so we can see which version you have. Good possibility you will need to change the primer pump due to leakage.

Congrats on the car!

I would say 1,000,000 km is not likely. The car would have been bought by MB for show, no matter how funky. You can get the badges on Ebay.

RE: OIl. BE SURE to use oil designed for diesel engines, which will have a little seal on it that says API- SF (for spark cars) - CD/F/L (for various compression, i.e. diesels).

Opinions vary about "quality" but since no synthetic oils existed when the car was made, DELO or Rotella 15W40 ought to work.

Gpo to your dealer or to the MB Classic Center on linbe and get the datacard for the card, which lists all kinds of info plus all replacement key codes, it's free.

If you have a manual trans, check out the clutch master and slave cylinders, they tenjd to leak after about ten years.

Change all fuel filters and change the fuel primer pump, the new design from Bosch will cost 20-25, but prevents air bubbles which can prevent starting.

There's a small ground wire in front of the mpst foprward glow plug. Check and or replace it.

Re: glow plugs: the standard for your car, like my 220D are Bosch 80003. There's an improved needle type plug called an 80035 that's even better but if your car runs well now, you won't need it.

Consider also replacing all the heater and coolant hoses, and check if the car's got a bolt-on block heater run into the block. It probably works but the cord is bad. Replace via www.*********.com for 11 bucks in 2 days- very fast for that item.

I would also replace the overflow lines (rubber) that go between the injectors before they leak.

Consider changing the MT lubricant, it probably hasn't been changed.

E-mail me privately, I am resurrecting a 72 220D that was neglected but is sound.
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Old 06-17-2009, 11:04 PM
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Hi welcom to the forum.

Some of the older Fuel Injection Pumps are not lubricated by one from the Engine. You have to fill it seperately.
I have seen some Fuel Injection pumps that have a little Dip Stick on the Fuel Injcetion Pump but most have a small Pipe Plug dow low to drain the old oil and another Pipe Plug up higher at the maximum fill level; not unlike a Manual Transmission or a differential.
Another possible is that the Fuel Injection Pump will bent pipe on the side of the Fuel Injection to allow any overfilled Oil (Filled after removing the Breather Cap).

We also have a section of the forum for the "Vintage Mercedes"
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/vintage-mercedes-forum/
They might be able to answer this question.
Your car was made during a time when Multiviscosity Oils may not have been recommended for Diesel Engines. If you looked in the Owners Manual it would most likely say to use the same Oil in the Fuel Injection Pump as you use in the Engine.

I do not know if Multiviscosity Oil is best for the Fuel Injection Pump. I am thinking that 30-wt or 40wt (in summer) might be better for it. Back in 1975-1980 thats what we would put inside of the Fuel Injection Pumps that did not get their lubrication from the Egine Oil.
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Old 06-17-2009, 11:12 PM
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Here's the service manual that is online at a Polish site: http://mb.auto.pl/index.php/Dok.-serwisowa.html
Don't worry the manual and selections are all in English.
The maintenance section will probably be of most use to you right now.
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Hi welcom to the forum.

Some of the older Fuel Injection Pumps are not lubricated by one from the Engine. You have to fill it seperately.
I have seen some Fuel Injection pumps that have a little Dip Stick on the Fuel Injcetion Pump but most have a small Pipe Plug dow low to drain the old oil and another Pipe Plug up higher at the maximum fill level; not unlike a Manual Transmission or a differential.
Another possible is that the Fuel Injection Pump will bent pipe on the side of the Fuel Injection to allow any overfilled Oil (Filled after removing the Breather Cap).

We also have a section of the forum for the "Vintage Mercedes"
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/forumdisplay.php?f=12
They might be able to answer this question.
Your car was made during a time when Multiviscosity Oils may not have been recommended for Diesel Engines. If you looked in the Owners Manual it would most likely say to use the same Oil in the Fuel Injection Pump as you use in the Engine.

I do not know if Multiviscosity Oil is best for the Fuel Injection Pump. I am thinking that 30-wt or 40wt (in summer) might be better for it. Back in 1975-1980 thats what we would put inside of the Fuel Injection Pumps that did not get their lubrication from the Egine Oil.
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Old 06-18-2009, 08:33 AM
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Thanks for the info

Wow, you folks are on it! Thank you for the help. Today I will seek out the filters and oil for basic service. I have a feeling this forum will be seeing a lot of me in the near future. The car needs a lot of tlc.
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How about some pictures? We would love to see the car.
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Welcome - learning the search function on this forum will lead you to hours of reading. Stuff like "keep the engine oil halfway between the marks" is just one of the tricks you'll read about.

First car? First diesel? First old diesel? These cars are simple compared to modern cars, but a manual is the first thing I'd get.

Buying parts from here (Phil at FastLane) keeps this "free" web site going. You'll like the service Phil provides via e-mail or phone.

If the "first car" doesn't end up at the junkyard then your son will learn he doesn't need a motorcycle - these cars handle very well and pull nicely (for a small diesel engine) when driven the way the car wants to be driven. Girls are going to love the "old fashioned" back seat....

First fluid I'd change is brake fluid.

I made an injection pump oil dipstick from a thin screwdriver. File a small notch up high next to the top of the fill hole, then another notch even with the bottom of the check plug. No more dropping and looking for the check plug, and the screwdriver lives in the car's toolbox when not in use.

Buy a big "hex key" that fits the differential plugs, then cut off enough of the long end to fit into a socket and duct tape them together. I use a long flex-head non-ratchet handle, which also works nicely for the tire/wheel bolts. Common sense says to get the fill/check plug free before the drain plug.

You'll learn (by search or experience) to push up on the spring-loaded oil filter cannister while loosening/tightening the bolt. Lots of newspapers on the first try, and keep pushing until the bolt is completely free/tight (it shouldn't drop out of cannister). daBenz has a retrofit drain plug on the cannister, so making a mess isn't an issue. The manual has good photos regarding the correct way to install the cleanable nylon part of the oil filter assembly. You don't want to install it backwards, and don't assume the other guy did it right.

Right rear "frost plug" to drain the anti-freeze. May be a coolant heater in there, so be carefull, and make a tin foil trough to keep the starter dry.

Search, search, search....
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Locally, manuals are proving to be elusive. Looks like on-line source is the only way to get one. Would you folks recommend not changing fluids until I have the manual?
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If it leaks oil, make sure your son keeps an eye on the oil level every now and then. It might seem like it leaks only a little and then in reality he's running low.

Check brake lines to make sure they are in good shape, when I hot mine brakes worked great took it in and they said in about two days I was going to have no brakes at all because the hoses were so old.

Enjoy the car! Please post pics i'd love to see it! The 220 is a great car!
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The online manual is about as good as it gets without having the original print version. It just takes some patience navigating around the manual and finding the information you need.
Here is a good start for your oil change: http://mb.auto.pl/wis/w114/Maintenance/MY72/151.pdf
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Locally, manuals are proving to be elusive. Looks like on-line source is the only way to get one. Would you folks recommend not changing fluids until I have the manual?
Send me your mailing address via PM. I will send you an old Chilton's manual which covers 220D. Not really a very good manual, but it covers the basics.
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Locally, manuals are proving to be elusive. Looks like on-line source is the only way to get one. Would you folks recommend not changing fluids until I have the manual?

Send me your address in Michigan and I can send you a Xerox of the 220D owner's manual, which provides a lot of info. Or I'll .pdf it by the weekend and e-mail it to you.

Then get an OM 615-616-617 factory service manual. They are everywhere figure 50-60 bucks

I got a 220D W114-115 chassis manual for 45 bucks.
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Also check the local libraries, a neglected resource in the age of instant gratification. The boating section may have some hidden gems, after checking the auto repair sections in the stacks and reference area. The old Volvo engines are very close to this engine, using a nearly identical Bosch fuel injection system.

I bought my service manual CD from Phil, part No. P-2700-114/115-098. A boatload of information (including for the older W123s) from the source, Mercedes, and well worth the money in my opinion. Phil can do a national search for you - send him an e-mail. Keep in mind the CD's menu just scratches the surface, and the CD doesn't seem to have the transmission manual. I made a partial index using Excel - didn't finish as I just wanted the W115 stuff that wasn't in my paper manuals. Folks who want this 95KB file can send me a PM with their e-mail address.

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