i kind of see it from the other side, forced seems to end up talking with people who are WAAAAYYYYY too sensitive for their own good. i mean, it's just internet words people, about cars, no need to go run and cry and flip out. i think when people build up a lot of knowledge about a certain subject, and THEN have people without that knowledge and experience try to enter the conversation and counter argue something that can't be counter argued, forced would get curt and terse. this seemed to make people get whiny and complain.

as far as stuff with brian goes, i've been here less than a year but i've found a lot of posts where forced would write something short and to the point and brian would post a couple down and say the same thing in a different, maybe less brusk manner, and comment on forced's attitude, behavior, or technical advice. then they would argue about symantics. this would probably annoy me too.

and you're right about goatman, he came into some conversation, started an arguement with forced who i guess knows him from somewhere else, and went whining and crying to get him banned. it worked, and now he's gloating about it (see post #26 and #28). and for your info concerning post #28, i'll ask forced when i have turbo questions. check his backlog of posts goatboy, they speak for themselves.

still, the point for me is that you have to be very careful how you word things here on peach parts forum, because you never know who here is soooo sensitive that they'll actually tattle on you for being curt, direct, just a little grumpy, or have a controversial opinion on any given subject, on or off mercedes topics. again, most people i've seen here get offended by forced think they have more knowledge when they don't, or think that because forced has a "bad attitude" then he can't be taken seriously and nit-pick a fight with him. as stated, if he were to be permanently banned, it would be devestating to those of use newbies who use the seach function all the time and find forced waiting there with the answer.

for now, if you need some answers, just stop by winmutts site for forced.

this seems long but i've wanted to comment on this for while, i can never see why so many people get so upset over this guys style. i can't defend the holocaust hair thing that i read too, but that doesn't mean i'm gonna ban him and argue with him every chance i get.

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1985 300D - 1984 Euro 280E AMG Clone (SOLD) - 1978 280CE (SOLD) - 1983 300D (SOLD) - 1981 300D (SOLD)

You couldn't be more right!

I'm pretty neutral on the subject and I see it both ways. The guy really has contributed straightforward and brilliant information! Searching the forums sometimes gets easier when you see his responses to dilemmas.

You just never know how people are going to feel. For all you know they could be going through a bad time like losing their job or divorce or something tragic.

Bottom line is that people who come here are obviously happy to own/repair/maintain a Merc and should leave happy that people even respond to their posts and problems.

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It's not the years, it's the mileage.

I tried going to your web site and all I get is some "message from Iran" how do you enter the site?

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1983 300SD
200000miles

I agree with above postings but I feel like a lot of users see this forum as a safe little alcove from the rest of the internet. Swearing and harsh language are rare on here, which is nice because it leaves mainly friendly and informative conversation. I'll admit I have a dirty mouth most of the day but refrain from that language on here...partially to keep things nice and partially out of respect for the vast majority of older/wiser people on here. Yes, its important to still take things with a grain of salt if they turn sour, but I can understand why people may be more sensitive on here than on other forums.

Oh well!

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TC
Current stable:
- 2004 Mazda RALLYWANKEL
- 2007 Saturn sky redline
- 2004 Explorer...under surgery.

Past: 135i, GTI, 300E, 300SD, 300SD, Stealth

This whole banning thing is BS.
Anyone can anytime ignore anyone that they don't like.
USER CP ~ EDIT IGNORE LIST

Danny

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OBK member #23

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(='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your
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Absolutely!

I'm sure Lance is a great guy if you met him personally, However he does come over as a 'Know-It-All' and has an extremely unpeasant side--Online...
--If anyone should disagree with him, as I have on occasion, then his response is inflamatory more often than not!

And for gawd's sake, NEVER EVER mention SVO/WVO to him, He has a cardiac!
Some time ago, I had an 'Infraction' against me due purely to His replys and complaints to Moderators
(As I was told once, He can dish it out, But Cannot accept it dished out to him.....)

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Alastair AKA H.C.II South Wales, U.K. based member

W123, 1985 300TD Wagon, 256K,
-Most recent M.B. purchase, Cost-a-plenty, Gulps BioDiesel extravagantly, and I love it like an old dog.

W114, 1975 280E Custard Yellow,
-Great above decks needs chassis welding--Really will do it this year....

It would appear that Forced' nemesis has earned almost enough infractions for his antics (baiting?) to be Banned himself.. With just over a 100 posts and 8 months on the forum, it would seem that with a record like that, his agenda is something other than contributing to the Forum...

Remember, if you don't feed a Troll it will go elsewhere to gain its sustenance... Selective hearing, a thick skin or an Ignore Button can help pass the time it takes for a Troll to wander off...

If all else fails, there is the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.....

And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to three. No more. No less. Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once at the number three, being the third number be reached, then, lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it."

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Joe

1998 E300D turbo 240K + Miles
2000 Dodge Dakota 122K + Miles
1992 Mazda Miata Autocross Machine 143K + Miles
http://www.renegademiata.net

Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains. - Winston Churchill

My positioning statement: "I like Lance and appreciate his knowledge".

I'm not like the blind puppy a page or so earlier licking his boots and all, but I like Lance and enjoy the benefits of his knowledge.
Having said that, there are simple rules to follow. Lance knows this and chooses to cross that line from time to time, knowing the consequences. I wouldn't think he would whine about it like some above are whining for him. I hope he mans up, takes his latest banishment and comes on back.
No need to build a shrine for him in the mean time. He's fine.
Rules are necessary to make the website enjoyable. And civilized. Lots of folks on here with the most knowledge would simply choose to go elsewhere if the forum was degraded to some type of back woods Chevy forum. Their help and knowledge would go with them.
Brian lacks the overbearing ego to be acting as those earlier in the thread have misguidedly accused him of. He is like most of us, especially with some age on us: We don't suffer fools as well as we used to, and we don't want pains in our arses. It is just that simple. Now I'm not putting Lance in the fool column at all. That is more for his blind followers. Or other forum members who we know fall into that category. But we can't just call them out specifically.
Moderators get tired of dealing with the same folks for the same stuff. They can get tired of that without having a vendetta.
And does anybody else hate it like I do when folks address a group or forum starting with the word "People".......


The above was posted while I was typing, and it really strikes a chord with me. It is amazing the folks on here who dish it out then run crying to the mods when they take return fire.
We can't call them that type of cat that they are so closely associated with. Remember, we must be civilized.....

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Jimmy L.
'05 Acura TL 6MT
2001 ML430 My Spare

Gone:
'95 E300 188K "Batmobile" Texas Unfriendly Black
'85 300TD 235K "The Wagon" Texas Friendly White
'80 240D 154K "China" Scar engine installed
'81 300TD 240K "Smash"
'80 240D 230K "The Squash"
'81 240D 293K"Scar" Rear ended harder than Elton John

People...this is for Jimmy!

Any way, Lance has helped me out info wise hear as well. Rules are rules, and if you are willing to break them, you have to willing to endure the consequenses...

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RRGrassi


70's Southern Pacific #5608 Fairmont A-4 MOW car

13 VW JSW 2.0 TDI 193K, Tuned with DPF and EGR Delete.

91 W124 300D Turbo replaced, Pressure W/G actuator installed. 210K

90 Dodge D250 5.9 Cummins/5 speed. 400K

He'll be back. There's others I'd rather see go over him.

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1985 500SL Euro w/ AMG bits 130k
1984 300SD Turbodiesel 192k
1980 240D Stick China 188k
2001 CLK55 AMG 101k
2007 S600 Biturbo 149k Overheated Project, IT'S ALIVE!!!

Ya'll keep this up. It is helping me with my ignore list. There are several members who have said all I would ever want to hear from them. Not that I am referring to anyone but, "Evil men rule, when good men do nothing." Thomas Jefferson.

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Dave
1983 300D Daily Driver

he shouldnt be banned

dont ask for advice if u cant take it, and dont comment on others ppls advice they give unless you have the LE to do so

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1985 300D - 599,xxxk - blue interior #265 Monark Nozzle, AL129X, 15" Ronals, Gen II Big Brakes hunting
1985 300D - 491,xxxk - in prog-{A-A IC, 3" exhaust, psi\pyro, 28*BTDC, Hella Euros, IP Limiter removal
1985 300TD - 783,xxxk - parts car,used new engine with ALDA cap inplace
1987 Kenworth T-600 8LL 425 CAT Mech. - 6,000,000+k - DEI exhaust wrap, punched through resonators, 1 recent rebuild,

Like Jimmy said, this is a civilized place. Brian is one of the people who keep it that way. There are those of us who intentionally avoid the free-for-all that a lot of forums cater to. You can express disagreement, just do it in a manner that respects rather than puts down the other person. The fact that you disagree with someone doesn't mean you need to make yourself out to be better than them.

FI loves to "dish" but he's also the first to go whining to the mods every time he thinks someone may have said something (in response to his attitude) that crosses the line. I will admit to flirting with the line a bit myself in some of the disagreements we've had, just because his overbearing, know-it-all, self-righteous, and holier (smarter) than thou attitude rubs me the wrong way. Having someone shoving it down everybody's throat that the only RIGHT way to do ANYTHING is THIER way just gets under my skin. Particularly when the indivdual does it just for the entertainment of starting controversy.

As others have said, he has a wealth of knowledge that IS beneficial to the forum, he just needs to grow up, be more considerate of other people and realize that he doesn't know everything there is to know and other's ideas may have as much merit as his own.

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1984 300 Coupe TurboDiesel
Silver blue paint over navy blue interior
2nd owner & 2nd engine in an otherwise
99% original unmolested car
~210k miles on the clock

1986 Ford F250 4x4 Supercab
Charcoal & blue two tone paint over burgundy interior
Banks turbo, DRW, ZF-5 & SMF conversion
152k on the clock - actual mileage unknown

I was vandalized! That will teach me not to ignore upgrade notices!

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1995 E420 Schwarz
1995 E300 Weiss
#1987 300D Sturmmachine
#1991 300D Nearly Perfect
#1994 E320 Cabriolet
#1995 E320 Touring
#1985 300D Sedan
OBK #42

Here's a classic FI post he pulled quickly, otherwise he would have been banned. There are plenty of talented folks here that know quite a bit, what we need are those folks who can also be civilized, as Jimmy asks. I think he disrupts in a greater amount than he contributes, and having been banned here what 3? 4? 5? times and nearly every other site as well I'm not the only person who thinks this way. We can see who is advice is less than stellar by ourselves.