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Old 07-06-2009, 10:23 AM
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Back in the diesel game - 1984 300SD

Well I have been looking for a diesel to get me to and from work and taking my son to school. I want to keep the miles down on the e420, so.....I purchased a cosmetically challenged (dented passenger side rear and drivers side front, bad clear coat peeling on all top surfaces) 1984 300SD. R-12 AC still works, but has some vent problems. I paid $1000. Odometer not working reads 150k. Carfax reports mileage as 140k in 2004. Couple says it wasn't used much in the last couple of years. I really only had $1000 to spend, so I hope the adage that the most expensive benz is a cheap benz does not hold true. Leaving for work now....just wanted to share....will post some pics later.

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Old 07-06-2009, 10:24 AM
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Vehicle Information: 1984 MERCEDES-BENZ 300SD VIN: WDBCB20B3EA069639 SEDAN 4 DR 3.0L L5 FI REAR WHEEL DRIVE Standard Equipment | Safety Options
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1995 E420 - 106K - Brilliant Silver Metallic/Orion Gray --- Sold
1984 300SD - 151K Manganese Brown Metallic/Mostly Black --- Sold
1982 240D - 79K - Manila Beige/Palomino---Sold
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Old 07-06-2009, 10:26 AM
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VIN WDBCB20B3EA069639
Model
Chassis 1261201A069639
Engine 617951 12 065561
Transmission 722303 02 503892
Order 0 4 705 60589
Approx. year not defined
Dealer United States (USA) (705)
Interior leather parchment (254)
Paint
480 manganese brown metallic (с 01.01.1979 по 31.12.1986, с 1994)
54 Unknown code
Options
240 outside temperature indicator (с 01.03.1982)
second spare wheel (с 01.01.1964 по 28.02.1973)
410 electric sliding roof (с 01.03.1965 по 29.02.1988)
444 bumper, rear, with license plate higher than 152 mm (с 01.02.1967 по 31.08.1971)
tempomat (cruise control) and airbag (с 01.02.1980 по 31.10.1993)
451 revolution counter (с 01.12.1972 по 31.10.1993)
tachometer
power brake (с 01.01.1963 по 30.09.1963)
windshield (laminated glass) (с 01.01.1964 по 31.05.1972)
461 instrument with mileage reading and english lettering (с 01.04.1990)
494 California version
California version (с 01.05.1973 по 31.12.1995)
version for USA/California/Canada (с 01.01.1996)
490 + 492 (с 01.12.1966 по 30.09.1967)
504 outside rear view mirror, right, electrically adjustable (с 01.11.1978 по 29.02.1986)
outside rear view mirror, right, electrically adjustable (l.h.d.)
taxi version, f.r.g, and outside rear view mirror on the right
500 + 503 (с 01.02.1966 по 30.06.1968)
501 + 502 (с 01.08.1968 по 31.10.1974)
519 Becker radio Grand Prix electronic cassette - USA (с 01.08.1980 по 30.11.1990)
Becker radio Grand Prix LW/MW/SW/USW - USA (с 01.01.1963 по 29.02.1972)
Becker radio Grand Prix stereo MW/USW - USA (с 01.10.1972 по 31.12.1976)
Becker radio Mexico Grand Prix, electronic (USA)
531 automatic antenna (с 01.01.1963)
543 exhaust-pipe cover trim (с 01.01.1963 по 28.02.1963)
seat adapter between the front seats, and halogen lamp unit (с 01.01.1967 по 31.12.1972)
sun visor with vanity mirror, illuminated, left and right (с 01.11.1978)
551 anti-theft warning system (с 01.11.1978 по 31.03.1998)
anti-theft/anti-break-in warning system with anti-towing system (с 01.04.1998)
steering wheel, ivory-colored (с 01.01.1963 по 31.05.1973)
570 folding armrest front w202/210 stowage box front with armrest (с 01.04.1970)
front folding armrest w202 - housing at front with armrest
588 Thermoking air conditioner and electric window lifters (front doors) (с 01.04.1970 по 31.12.1972)
automatic climate control and electric window lifters (front and rear doors) (с 01.01.1977)
592 wyellow foglamps (с 01.01.1963 по 31.10.1965)
heat-insulating glass, all-around, heated rear window pane (laminated glass), band filter
heat-insulating glass, side window panes (с 01.02.1967 по 31.01.1971)
green heat-insulating glass all round, heated rear window, laminated safety glass - tinted strip (с 01.01.1972)
611 courtesy lamps for front and rear doors, with W124 also for central doors/W202 front doors only (с 01.11.1978)
sealed beam lamp unit, l.h. traffic (с 01.01.1966 по 28.02.1972)
lamp unit, symmetrical (с 01.01.1962 по 28.02.1963)
639 radial-ply tires, elimination of warning triangle (с 01.11.1973 по 31.10.1974)
elimination of first-aid box and warning triangle (с 01.08.1977)
640 aluminium disc wheels with radial-ply tires (с 01.10.1969 по 31.12.1989)
tires with tube (с 01.01.1963 по 31.08.1965)
15-hole light alloy rims (с 01.01.1990)
673 high-capacity battery (с 01.01.1964)
804 Change of year of model, last figure shows new model year
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1984 300D---Sold
1995 E420 - 106K - Brilliant Silver Metallic/Orion Gray --- Sold
1984 300SD - 151K Manganese Brown Metallic/Mostly Black --- Sold
1982 240D - 79K - Manila Beige/Palomino---Sold
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Old 07-06-2009, 10:35 AM
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Quite honestly I think you'll end up spending some money on repairs, especially if the car wasn't driven in years. My SD was bought for a little less than 1000 and I have spent well over 2000 getting it running well (and still needs a bit more). Don't forget it is a 25 year old luxury car being purchased for nearly 1/100 of its original value. Sorry to be a downer, but just be verrryyyy careful with it.
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Old 07-06-2009, 10:36 AM
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Yeah, you'll probably have some repairs coming up. There's nothing more expensive than a cheap MB. Unless it was real well taken care of and you got a deal.
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Old 07-06-2009, 09:25 PM
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I think the car was driven regularly, but I have no way of knowing how frequently. It is a second car, and part of the reason for purchasing was so that I don't need to take my ONLY car to the shop to get things fixed right away. This will allow me time to work on either car when things come up.

The PO said that her mom's boyfriend was a MBZ diesel nut and maintained the car for her, but the boyfriend and mom split up, so there is now no one to maintain it. It looks like it has some new parts....radiator for sure. There are no leaks. No slippage in the tranny, but shift points seem a little high. It does have a pretty severe lack of power before 2000 rpm's. Linkage is good...right to the pin on the IP....I'm going to check the banjo bolt on the manifold....alda is untouched.

I understand the common wisdom about these purchases, but it starts right up.....no smoke....tranny shifts firm.....ac works....all windows and sunroof operating correctly...Not a spot of rust. I'm a gambler by nature....We'll see how it pans out. Thanks for the votes of confidence
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1984 300D---Sold
1995 E420 - 106K - Brilliant Silver Metallic/Orion Gray --- Sold
1984 300SD - 151K Manganese Brown Metallic/Mostly Black --- Sold
1982 240D - 79K - Manila Beige/Palomino---Sold
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Old 07-06-2009, 09:51 PM
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My SD was under $1000. It runs like rust and gets everyone around.

I recently bought 2 calipers, 4 rotors and a PS belt. Other than that??? A few things have needed attention but I have been able to fix it all without replacing parts. I just use stuff I have on hand. Today I fixed the rattling air cleaner case... Used bits of rubber fuel line and some random hardware laying around to fix the broken mounts.

I would expect to pay 3-4k for a really nice SD. This one is reliable and has character.
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Old 07-10-2009, 08:06 PM
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Well I have a few problems as you veterans so astutely predicted.

Car wouldn't start.

Autozone charged and checked battery=good
Thought hack radio install by PO was the cause of battery drain so I removed radio fuse.

Sat overnight with battery connected and started this morning soooo... back to autozone to

Have them test starter and alternator today=battery bad, starter good, alternator diodes good, voltage (?) bad

So something is draining battery or alternator isn't charging=checked voltage regulator and it looks warn....will replace

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Next isue: SLOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 0-60=23 seconds; 0-20 is the real problem.

Was hoping for plugged banjo, but minor soot only...cleaned but no help....changed fuel filters=no help. Will get valves adjusted and timing checked next??? Then maybe the ALDA.

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Needs shifter bushings bad.
Needs Seat repair BAD.
Needs tires
needs shocks

The list is mounting and haven't even gotten to the suspension, or the paint and body work.

My goal was to be under $3000 for purchase price, repairs, and paint and bodywork, but I'm starting to think it can't happen.

I'm a little embarrassed to post , but I think it will be good for others to possibly see my mistake.

I'm not giving up yet....will update progress as it happens.


Questions-----battery is at 12.3 sitting, idle with many accesories on is at just under 12, volts climb as I give throttle up to ~13.3.
doesn't this mean my alternator is charging?
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1995 E420 - 106K - Brilliant Silver Metallic/Orion Gray --- Sold
1984 300SD - 151K Manganese Brown Metallic/Mostly Black --- Sold
1982 240D - 79K - Manila Beige/Palomino---Sold

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Old 07-10-2009, 08:22 PM
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For your slowness, tune your transmission. Take a look at the Bowden cable and tighten it so there is no slack. I improved my 0-60 times by about 3-4 seconds by tuning the transmission correctly. You are correct about the ALDA as well, that will help with off-the-line acceleration.

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Well I have a few problems as you veterans so astutely predicted.

Car wouldn't start.

Autozone charged and checked battery=good
Thought hack radio install by PO was the cause of battery drain so I removed radio fuse.

Sat overnight with battery connected and started this morning soooo... back to autozone to

Have them test starter and alternator today=battery bad, starter good, alternator diodes good, voltage (?) bad

So something is draining battery or alternator isn't charging=checked voltage regulator and it looks warn....will replace

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Next isue: SLOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 0-60=23 seconds; 0-20 is the real problem.

Was hoping for plugged banjo, but minor soot only...cleaned but no help....changed fuel filters=no help. Will get valves adjusted and timing checked next??? Then maybe the ALDA.

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Needs shifter bushings bad.
Needs Seat repair BAD.
Needs tires
needs shocks

The list is mounting and haven't even gotten to the suspension, or the paint and body work.

My goal was to be under $3000 for purchase price, repairs, and paint and bodywork, but I'm starting to think it can't happen.

I'm a little embarrassed to post , but I think it will be good for others to possibly see my mistake.

I'm not giving up yet....will update progress as it happens.


Questions-----battery is at 12.3 sitting, idle with many accesories on is at just under 12, volts climb as I give throttle up to ~13.3.
doesn't this mean my alternator is charging?
Advance your turbo boost 3/4 of a turn, that will help drastically in how the throttle responds to pressure, and how the car accelerates.

People who claim; "there is nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes," have never bought one new. I have, and it is a he## of a lot of money let me tell ya. The most money I've ever spent on any car is the new price. Which does not come back to you either. Bottom line; buy what you can afford, and be happy with it.

What is true is, that you'd better know something about the car you are buying, to know what it's true estimated cost will be to put and keep it on the road. The rest, are just repeating a mindless slogan, on something they know nothing about. A cheap used Mercedes may be the best money you ever spent on a car - I know that side of the coin too.....I bought one of those too.

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"Nothing has been less expensive than some of my cheap Mercedes".........

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Advance your turbo boost 3/4 of a turn, that will help drastically in how the throttle responds to pressure, and how the car accelerates.
How is this done?
Or are you referring to the ALDA?
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I think he means adjusting the wastegate to set turbo to proper spec, which if I recall correctly is ~13 PSI, but I really want to rule out the throttle linkage problem that I think I have.

Started another thread on throttle linkage.

The radio fuse being disconnected has stopped the battery drain, so I will replace the voltage regulator, and then I'll have to probably pay someone to figure out the problem with the radio wiring.
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1984 300SD - 151K Manganese Brown Metallic/Mostly Black --- Sold
1982 240D - 79K - Manila Beige/Palomino---Sold
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Voltage regulator replaced, but still trying to sort out the low power issue. I broke the line from the manifold to the overboost valve at the manifold when double checking it for soot build-up....banjo bolt is ok. Phil doesn't have the line...says it is a dealer only part.....egr and arv plugged at the rubber elbows....egr not stuck open when checked with vaccum pump....will update as I get things done....am really tempted to pay for a mechanic on this one....grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
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1984 300SD - 151K Manganese Brown Metallic/Mostly Black --- Sold
1982 240D - 79K - Manila Beige/Palomino---Sold
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Voltage regulator replaced, but still trying to sort out the low power issue. I broke the line from the manifold to the overboost valve at the manifold when double checking it for soot build-up....banjo bolt is ok.
On my '83 that line is just hard plastic, I have replaced it. On my '84 it's like yours, a banjo bolt. Maybe you can affix a line on there until you get the proper set up.

How do you adjust the wastegate?

Good luck with staying on your budget especially with bodywork involved.
I was able to get a seat at the JY.
Tiers and shocks are necessities.
Depending on which transmission shifter bearings you're referring to, I've replaced the one under the car, cheap.
Adjust the ALDA, mark where it is now, you can always put it back.

My SD is a daily driver/beater. I did locate and install a different drivers seat, resoldered the CCU (works now) and adjusted the ALDA, (more seat of the pants on take off, seeing as how it starts in first gear now) it feels like a different car and I enjoy it quite a bit more than before I got it sorted out.

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