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mystery 617: "Original Mercedes-Benz Tauschaggregat" = Replacement motor?
I am in the middle of an engine swap and am trying to find out some information about a mystery motor I picked up. I found a 617 from an informal (backyard) junkyard as a possible candidate for a replacement motor in my wagon, which currently has poor compression in 2 cylinders. Anyways, I found a badge stamped on the front of the engine block titled "Original Mercedes-Benz Tauschaggregat", followed by 3 identification numbers: Teil-Nr:#, Bm #, and Agg.Nr#.
I did a quick Google search and found someone commenting on this badge in a different forum. Apparently it signifies a MB factory replacement motor. Has anyone ever seen this badge? What do the various numbers mean? (See the photo, attached, but the numbers are unreadable in the photo). Teil Nr. 617010640288 Bm.: 617.962 I am particularly interested in trying to decipher what the engine number means, what chassis it might have been intended for, and what year it was manufactured or shipped for replacement. Has anyone ever heard of a 617.962? Does 962 signify anything in particular? Are the chassis number and production year coded in the Teil Nr.? The only other option I can think of is to contact the MB Classics Center, but I don't know if they track replacement motor information (i.e. when it was shipped, what car it went into, etc.). Any ideas? Thanks.
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-1985 300TD - 324k mi on chassis. MB "Tauschaggregat" 617 motor + 4-speed conversion Alaska Roadtrip 2009 -2002 E320 Wagon - 197k mi -1998 E320 Wagon - 310k mi - retired |
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Indeed it is! The one we located and placed into my dad's '82 300SD is a replacement motor too, with that same plaque. Turns out it was completely covered under a layer of sludge, so the guy selling it had no idea he was selling us a super low miles factory engine....for $500! Your motor likely has even less miles than the car it came out of......the car the one we used came from only had 161k on the (working) odometer....so the motor must have far less than that even....
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Tauschaggregat in german, loose translation is engine swap. So its a factory rebuilt motor
the numbers after 617 is the serial number
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it's the .962 I'm wondering about...
Okay, so I know it's a 617 replacement motor. But I have never heard or seen a 617.962. I am trying to figure out if it is a 617.952 (wagon motor) or a 617.912, if it's from a sedan, a w126 , etc. Does a 617.962 designate a generic, "all-purpose" 617 factory replacement motor? Or does the engine serial number code for any information on the chassis it was intended for, or the year it was produced?
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-1985 300TD - 324k mi on chassis. MB "Tauschaggregat" 617 motor + 4-speed conversion Alaska Roadtrip 2009 -2002 E320 Wagon - 197k mi -1998 E320 Wagon - 310k mi - retired |
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A wagon motor would have a cover or plate on the top of the head for the SLS pump. (or it would have the pump)
I bet the 962 is just the number for a factory rebuild of a 617
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A couple things: "Aggregat" in this case describes the basic piece plus additional things added, something like "long block" with most items or everything, on it. Tausch is exchange, why not ask a dealer about the VIN? Or call Tom Hanson at the MBUSA classic center?
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When we were cleaning off the one for my dad's car....he was like "hey! this is a factory replacement motor"....(he is german).....we admired the plate....then continued our work. We never bothered researching it.
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-diesel is not just a fuel, its a way of life- '15 GLK250 Bluetec 118k - mine - (OC-123,800) '17 Metris(VITO!) - 37k - wifes (OC-41k) '09 Sprinter 3500 Winnebago View - 62k (OC - 67k) '13 ML350 Bluetec - 95k - dad's (OC-98k) '01 SL500 - 103k(km) - dad's (OC-110,000km) '16 E400 4matic Sedan - 148k - Brothers (OC-155k) |
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I asked this on the other thread. What are you going to do about the SLS pump? Do you plan on switching the heads or is the replacement engine a wagon engine?
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It appears in the picture he posted that the pump mount spot is covered with a plate....so he can just swap the pump over.
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-diesel is not just a fuel, its a way of life- '15 GLK250 Bluetec 118k - mine - (OC-123,800) '17 Metris(VITO!) - 37k - wifes (OC-41k) '09 Sprinter 3500 Winnebago View - 62k (OC - 67k) '13 ML350 Bluetec - 95k - dad's (OC-98k) '01 SL500 - 103k(km) - dad's (OC-110,000km) '16 E400 4matic Sedan - 148k - Brothers (OC-155k) |
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pump will bolt on
Yep, the pump should just bolt on.
Thanks for the breakdown and translation of that word. I really want to know what was replaced - the block, the head, both, any pumps, injectors, etc. Good idea to contact the MB Classics Center. Hopefully they will be helpful...
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-1985 300TD - 324k mi on chassis. MB "Tauschaggregat" 617 motor + 4-speed conversion Alaska Roadtrip 2009 -2002 E320 Wagon - 197k mi -1998 E320 Wagon - 310k mi - retired |
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962 might be a marine motor.
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Tom knows all
Spoke with Tom at the Classics Center today. He was very helpful, and definitely shed some light on this motor. Apparently the Teil Nr. is the part number for the factory replacement 617. Even more specifically, the -6402- part of it denotes a rebuilt wagon motor. He also said that not all factory rebuilds had a SLS pump housing on the head, as this one does (although it has been blocked off). So you were right kerry - not all rebuilds came with SLS housing. Only rebuilds with the -6402- in the Teil number were intended for wagons. So it is a bit odd that the SLS housing was blocked off if it was intended for a wagon. The housing cover looks homemade - definitely not MB work. Kind of strange.
Also, Tom believes that the Bm. of 617.962 is merely a typo and should be 617.952, as he has no record of a 617.962 ever being produced. Tom said that these MB factory replacement motors were resleeved from cores at the factory. And a rebuilt block and head weren't the only things included by MB - these also came with new or rebuilt components: injection pump, turbo, etc. Pretty awesome. Unfortuately, Tom couldn't tell us when the motor was produced and shipped. So, unless we call Germany (and they have and will provide that information), we probably won't ever find that stuff out. Overall, I have to say we're pretty stoked about this. We really lucked out in finding not only a 617 with an SLS head, but a MB refurb motor, pump, and turbo. The best part is that we only paid $200
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-1985 300TD - 324k mi on chassis. MB "Tauschaggregat" 617 motor + 4-speed conversion Alaska Roadtrip 2009 -2002 E320 Wagon - 197k mi -1998 E320 Wagon - 310k mi - retired |
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I have that sticker too. . never put any thought into it. Did notice the GP harness was not in the holder by the dip stick. Only way is to dig at it to put it in. Hmm Im checking this one out
My numbers were as follows; Tiel-Nr: 6170109102 82 Bm: 617 952 Ogg-Nr: 879165
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1982 300DT *4-speed*// proper 617 donor for conversion // W126 big brakes // front wagon swaybar // european lights & bumpers // rear headrests // lumbar support // warning triangle // overdrive water pump pulley & 9 blade fan // Too many more to list Dark blue/ Palomino. 1983 300D euro no longer a 4 speed. . swap/parts carr Last edited by 123euroowner; 07-21-2009 at 02:41 PM. Reason: more info |
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Another one
Greetings All,
I just bought an 80 300SD rustbucket with a factory motor from 1998. I have the original repair bill showing $6593.40 for the engine alone. A new speedo was installed at that time and now shows 37K on the motor. You can still see the anodize plating on many of the parts including the ip, turbo and pre-chambers. The engine #617-010-93-00-88 was installed in VIN #11612012022389. I didn't get the numbers off the rebuild plate but it is on the block just above the waterpump. I've never seen a 617 start like this. 22 degrees this morning. 3 seconds glow, bump the key and she's idling without so much as a puff of smoke! Not too shabby for 100 miles since 2003. This is going in my 78 240d 4 sp California peach I started on a couple years ago. More on that later... Thanks EVERYBODY for all your help over the years. Maybe I can give something back now that I'm actually making progress. Thanks, Dave |
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I assume that your knowledge about the motor (from 1998, 100 mi) was from the service records, right? Do you know if the replacement motor was actually rebuilt in 1998, or just that the swap occurred then? I wonder whether MB rebuilds these on an as-needed basis, or if they have a stock of extra 617s sitting on pallets in Stuttgart?
I would love to know more info about my replacement 617, but don't have the dealer service records...
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-1985 300TD - 324k mi on chassis. MB "Tauschaggregat" 617 motor + 4-speed conversion Alaska Roadtrip 2009 -2002 E320 Wagon - 197k mi -1998 E320 Wagon - 310k mi - retired |
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