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Old 08-04-2009, 01:09 PM
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Common Problem -Rattling Air Cleaner

Just changed my air cleaner mounts (1 of them, other two were fine) and now I have this annoying rattle on start up. Air cleaner does not appear to be hitting valve cover -where is the rattle actually coming from -in other words, what part of our air cleaner is actually creating the rattle? I know that this is a common problem and have seen the fix where a "bumper" is adhered to the valve cover but i would rather avoid this. Is there a air cleaner mounting procedure that eliminates air cleaner rattle? Thanks!

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My recollection is that it hits the valve cover.
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What model are you inquiring about? That would help.

It may be that you did not line up the air cleaner housing with the tube it inserts into that drains oil back to the oil pan. It is on the bottom of the air cleaner and you have to put your hand under there and guide it in. There should be an O ring on the male part of the connection on the air cleaner to keep it from rattling in the larger tube that drops down to the crankcase.
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hmmmm . . that is a possibility, I would think that the drain tube would be hard to miss, but I will check and will also check for absence of o-ring which could contribute to rattle. Car is an '82 300Sd Thanks!
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Just changed my air cleaner mounts (1 of them, other two were fine) and now I have this annoying rattle on start up. Air cleaner does not appear to be hitting valve cover -where is the rattle actually coming from -in other words, what part of our air cleaner is actually creating the rattle? I know that this is a common problem and have seen the fix where a "bumper" is adhered to the valve cover but i would rather avoid this. Is there a air cleaner mounting procedure that eliminates air cleaner rattle? Thanks!
Yes there is a fix. You drill a hole in the air cleaner where it comes in contact with the valve cover, and bolt in a rubber buffer.

You also may have a broken air cleaner bracket which causes a rattle/clank at start-up and shut-down.
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Yes there is a fix. You drill a hole in the air cleaner where it comes in contact with the valve cover, and bolt in a rubber buffer.

You also may have a broken air cleaner bracket which causes a rattle/clank at start-up and shut-down.
Kind of hate to do the buffer if I do not need to . . . .
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What model are you inquiring about? That would help.

It may be that you did not line up the air cleaner housing with the tube it inserts into that drains oil back to the oil pan. It is on the bottom of the air cleaner and you have to put your hand under there and guide it in. There should be an O ring on the male part of the connection on the air cleaner to keep it from rattling in the larger tube that drops down to the crankcase.
x2. When I "mount" my air cleaner it does not line up with the oil tube. I don't know why, never been able to figure it out, but it doesn't - and if it slips out of place it tends to rattle pretty bad up to about 1200RPM.
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On the mount that bolts to the engine, there are two sets of holes for the buffers, make sure those are right, on the CD I do need to make sure the drain fits in properly.
On the SD I've wedged an exhaust pipe hanger between the housing and cam cover, no more rattling.
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Old 08-04-2009, 03:50 PM
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Air cleaner does not appear to be hitting valve cover -where is the rattle actually coming from -in other words, what part of our air cleaner is actually creating the rattle?
Appearances can be deceiving. (I thought the same thing.) Try placing a rag, etc, between the housing and valve cover and see if it makes a difference.

For a more permanent solution, I split a piece of heater hose and placed it over the bracket on the top of the valve cover, using one of the bolts to secure it. No more rattle and no more replacing mounts every few months.
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You also may have a broken air cleaner bracket which causes a rattle/clank at start-up and shut-down.
That was my problem and a new bracket fixed it.
But, I never did see where you identified the model.
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thanks 1982 300sd
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Also a 617 like my 83 300D. Remove the aircleaner housing and check the bracket. Mine had broken around one of the bolts that secures the bracket to the engine.
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just removed bracket when I replaced mount as one mount was frozen and whole bracket had to be removed -I think if I bend up the mount arm closest to the passenger fender wheel the rattle will go away as pushing up here seems to make a difference - the drain tube is in the correct position -
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I follwed advice in one of the threads where they said you can put a 1/2 or a 3/4 inch heater hose between the Air Filter Housing and the Intake Manifold and that has worked fine for me.

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