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08-13-2009, 02:07 PM
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Replace 617 with 616
Maybe replacing 617 with 616 in 77 300D Auto. Will the 616 bolt right up? or do supports have to move, linkages and driveshafts lengthen, etc.
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08-13-2009, 02:13 PM
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I'm pretty sure that changes will have to be made to the drive shaft. Though, if you can source out the front half of a 240d drive shaft, and are using a 240d transmission, it may all bolt right up.
If you are swapping in just the engine I think you'll need the front piece of a 240d drive shaft.
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08-13-2009, 03:37 PM
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So if the back end of the engine comes forward, then the tranny support moves, linkages stretch, driveshaft too. That makes it a project- not so easy then.
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08-13-2009, 06:37 PM
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usually people go the other way around
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08-13-2009, 10:52 PM
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You may need a cross member as well. To get correct 240d performance you will want to change the diff and the speedo as well.
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08-14-2009, 12:17 AM
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Quote:
 Those two words do not belong next to each other.
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08-14-2009, 06:46 AM
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08-14-2009, 08:05 AM
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You could make custom engine mount arms for the 616 and keep the driveline stock. This would have the added benefit of moving the engine back a few inches (better handling).
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08-15-2009, 07:36 AM
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That would be a lot of work, more than altering the driveshaft. It would also put the engine back from the radiator and possibly pay havoc with the power steering and ac hoses.
I think not recommended. A good thought though. (The handling of a stock 123 240 is very balanced to begin with too, IMHO)
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08-19-2009, 12:58 PM
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I did this swap a few years back, it helps to have the donor car around when you do it. front driveshaft, crossmember and linkages were some of the problems I ran into but I did it in my parents driveway when I was just a young MB enthusiast
 Two brothers who were friends of mine had the cars, the 300D threw a rod and the 240D hit a telephone pole. 240 engine into the 300 body and one of them was back on the road again
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