What year 210's had the blower regulator problems? - Page 2 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

muleears · #16 09-06-2009, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TMAllison

Len Sokolof claimed their was a brush kit for the motor....was aftermarket?

Give the squirrel cage a couple of nudges clockwise when in intermittent mode. You'll have to leave both panels off to reach it. If it fires up, its the brushes more than likely.

The "panels" are under the dash?

Matt L · #17 09-06-2009, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by muleears

The "panels" are under the dash?

Right above the passenger's feet.

muleears · #18 09-06-2009, 03:16 PM

There was one large panel above the passenger footwell and a smaller vent panel on the left side. I have taken both off and don't see the motor. What am I missing? Where is the second panel?

Matt L · #19 09-06-2009, 03:19 PM

Above the large horizontal panel there is a smaller panel with six or eight screws. Remove that one.

muleears · #20 09-06-2009, 03:32 PM

Thanks, Matt. I'll give it a try later. Right now I have to drive about two hours with it. Hope the blower works!

Jeremy5848 · #21 09-06-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Oracle12345

. . . I have dealership records and all they tell you is the compilant and what was replaced not all the work involved to find out what needed to be replaced.

My dealership records give the work that was performed to find the defect. Sorry your dealer was not as good.

Oracle12345 · #22 09-06-2009, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeremy5848

My dealership records give the work that was performed to find the defect. Sorry your dealer was not as good.

let me phrase it this way, i think the dealer records are brief for a reason so you cant do the work yourself. The dealersjip happens to be pretty good actually they just dont want some clown who works in the backyard to take money away from them. Techs at dealers arent allowed to given anyone who walks up to them at the dealership or calls them while they are there asking for information on fixing the car. With the complexity of todays cars this issue isnt a big issue as it is with the older cars. A lot of luxury car makers such Mercedes,bmw, lexus and others do this.

nhdoc · #23 09-07-2009, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Oracle12345

let me phrase it this way, i think the dealer records are brief for a reason so you cant do the work yourself. The dealersjip happens to be pretty good actually they just dont want some clown who works in the backyard to take money away from them. Techs at dealers arent allowed to given anyone who walks up to them at the dealership or calls them while they are there asking for information on fixing the car. With the complexity of todays cars this issue isnt a big issue as it is with the older cars. A lot of luxury car makers such Mercedes,bmw, lexus and others do this.

All you need to do is bring your car to the dealer with a specific problem, like the blower issue, ask them to diagnose and provide an estimate for the cost of repairs including a breakdown for parts and labor, then decline the repair and you will know what they think is wrong and how to correct it.

You'll usually pay a fee, maybe an hour's labor for an easy job like this for the diagnosis and frankly they deserve it but then you are free to do the work yourself based upon what they have proposed to replace. On the receipt it will even summarize the diagnosis and estimate costs and say "customer declined". Some dealers don't even charge for estimates but I think if they know you do work yourself most will, and should.

Every work order I have seen from my dealer is pretty clear as to what was being fixed and what parts were needed. It would say something like "customer complains of vibration at highway speeds" and then "replace Lower Control Arm Bushings, test drive", then is lists the PN's for the bushings and, while labor isn't broken out to a particular job it is separate from the parts costs...there is no mystery here.

Oracle12345 · #24 09-07-2009, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by nhdoc

All you need to do is bring your car to the dealer with a specific problem, like the blower issue, ask them to diagnose and provide an estimate for the cost of repairs including a breakdown for parts and labor, then decline the repair and you will know what they think is wrong and how to correct it.

You'll usually pay a fee, maybe an hour's labor for an easy job like this for the diagnosis and frankly they deserve it but then you are free to do the work yourself based upon what they have proposed to replace. On the receipt it will even summarize the diagnosis and estimate costs and say "customer declined". Some dealers don't even charge for estimates but I think if they know you do work yourself most will, and should.

Every work order I have seen from my dealer is pretty clear as to what was being fixed and what parts were needed. It would say something like "customer complains of vibration at highway speeds" and then "replace Lower Control Arm Bushings, test drive", then is lists the PN's for the bushings and, while labor isn't broken out to a particular job it is separate from the parts costs...there is no mystery here.

Yeah thats true but what the customer doesnt see when they get back the ro is the steps and thinking behind as to why the tech thinks its the problems. However a dealer tech is required in the write up of the ro to send to the service advisor what he actually did so if the customer comes back saying its not fixed or whatever they know how to handle the situation. All the customer sees on the reciept is the initial problem and what fixed it.

Anyone can buy the 210 service dvd, bring their car in for diagnosis, do the repair themselves but they will never know why it was causing it, if its a common issue on a particular chassis unless they have an automotive background. Most people who bring thier cars to the dealer dont know anything about cars, dont care to know about them and pay the dealer to fix it. Also the service dvds dont include everything. So the dealer got you over the barrell one way or another especially with the new cars of today where 90% of the work is done with a expensive scan tool.

Matt L · #25 09-07-2009, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Oracle12345

Anyone can buy the 210 service dvd

Word on the street is that the 210 FSM DVD is NLA.

e300nocash · #26 09-08-2009, 01:14 AM

When mine quit, the brushes went first, and then the regulator died. If running over railroad tracks or slapping the plastic cover under the glove box makes the fan start, your brushes are probably about shot, and there is a lot of old brush debris on your commutator. I would limit use of the fan until the brushes can be replaced to avoid frying the regulator. I got my brushes from George Murphy of Performance Analysis, (865)482-9175.

lupin..the..3rd · #27 09-08-2009, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt L

Word on the street is that the 210 FSM DVD is NLA.

Is this the star service DVD? That has the step-by-step troubleshooting and repairs? IGM.

Wonder if it's possible to burn a copy? I might have to give that a try some time...

alabbasi · #28 09-08-2009, 03:25 PM

If anyone needs a W210 blower motor, I have one listed for sale in the parts section for $40. It's tested and works fine.
From a 1997.

Matt L · #29 09-08-2009, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by lupin..the..3rd

Is this the star service DVD? That has the step-by-step troubleshooting and repairs? IGM.

Wonder if it's possible to burn a copy? I might have to give that a try some time...

That's the one. It is copy-protected.

Mr.Billyd · #30 09-08-2009, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt L

Word on the street is that the 210 FSM DVD is NLA.

What do you mean by NLA??

I am thinking of buying the Star DVD, as I spend hours on all the user groups looking for things (wife is going to kill me). It is pretty Exp though. Does it give good blow by blow instructions??? Is it the best of whats out there? I am currently using Alldata which is good value for 25 or so bucks.
But I find the instructions few and far between, and not concise.

So, far the two DIY's on the web for me have been the Blower regulator replacement. IT got mine out of the slow speed, and it took me 45 minutes in total to do the job.
The other one was my tranny fluid change I did the other day. Thanks everyone who puts the time into these things.

Oh, I almost forgot, the adaptive tranny reset was perfect.

Bill

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